Ken Masters

Ojah

Hi there, my first post here. I've just started modelling Ken from the street fighter series and I'm trying to keep the proportions as they were in the game. I've started with a high poly version, with a really crappy poly flow, just trying to nail the likeness, but capcom's style is kinda hard.
please comment, especially on the face.

hawken

bit wide

PolyPutty

Well we can't really give a good critique without wires of the model. Front and Side don't really help us see the form of the character. Personally I don't see why you would remove geometry, I would use Alpha transparency. A sketch to see what you were going for would help to see what parts you missed on. Just off the top of my head I can start to see proportion problems and a few anatomy problems. The cloth feels like it has no weight either.

ThatDon

Poor Ken

for inspiration check out Pierre Bourgeot's version of Ryu

http://www.pierrebourgeot.com/site/view_gallery.htm?a=ryu

ThatDon

as far as I'm concerned there is no proper way to create anything, there are only techniques. Some are easier and much more efficient than others, which is why I recommended mudbox. If anything he will have a greater appreciation for it when he does actually get it.

here's some ref for ya!

SouL

I actually like how the gray shaded version of that Ryu looks better than the final product. Really solid anatomy.
Pants are wierd. Looks like he referenced the Capcom drawings rather than an actual karate gi outfit. Still pretty cool, though.

Ojah

heh, that Ryu is a great model, and good as inspiration indeed. I must say I was aware of the complete fucked up anatomy but just wanted to get critique from an early point. Then this one might not end up on the pile of abandoned models. Next version probably will be a bit more pleasing to the eyes(with wires).

ThatDon

do you have access to either mudbox or zbrush? if so just go grab a copy of arsh's baseman and sculpt your pants off, that's what i'm doing with my version of akuma.

JKMakowka

Looking forward to the next version... it's really not a bad start at all.
I do wonder though if the head is ment to be realistic or not; since currently it looks pretty stylized.

@ThatDon: Try to keep your comments more constructive, will ya?
Maybe he want to learn how to do it properly all by himself first?

Ojah

its ment to be as stylized as possible, wanted to emulate the capcom comic/game/animation style. I dont mind the harsch comments, maybe i should have done a bit more work then what Ive done so far(and well, at the moment it just looks wrong). I dont have zbrush/mudbox here, so it will be max for a while more.

JKMakowka

Oh I am usually known for my harsh comments (ok not quite Per128 style), but the unwritten laws of Polycount state that you can be as harsh as you want (it is actually encuraged) as long as you provide constructive critizism also

Ojah

and a new picture.
It even includes a wire... Although thats mostly for show, as im trying to get the shape right, polies are split where i need detail, and loops are destroyed.
Removed the cloth as it looked stupid, and made some legs, have fun with the comments
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Ojah

Finally home again, so might do some more work on this tonight. About mudbox, I've used it before (not much tho) and i fully appreciate it, but for me, I think, its faster to create the shape first in max, as I'm familiar with this workflow.

btw, thanks for the refs, didnt have the first, but as always with these kind of characters, their shape differs with every picture.

rooster

that looks a bit like a regular shape picture stretched to widescreen? look at the cape clasp things they're oval and should surely be round

aesir

rooster: it still wouldn't change the fact that their heads are fuckin TINY.

rooster

hah it would probably make them smaller

JKMakowka

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I agree on that part, but I was referring to the "just grab Arsh's base mesh" part, which is basicly the same as "it's so bad I wouldn't even bother to improve it further" and really not constructive at all.

ThatDon

I'm sorry if I came across that way, honestly that wasn't my intention.