just shows that USA government is a place full of lies and shit and all tipes of conspiracy theories. And as usual we dont know what to believe since no sides give actual proof of their version. Its the world.
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I work for the government, they are not that smart. The biggest thing I point out to people, is the overestimation of thier cunning.
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QFT. I love the conspiracy theorists who think the US government blew up the WTC. This is a government that couldn't hide a semen-stained dress. Riiiiight.
i used to work for a govt contractor, and grew up in a very gov't savy household... this statement has tons of truth;
"The biggest thing I point out to people, is the overestimation of thier cunning."
That was particularly true of the cold-war era...still is true now. Though there ARE a lot of little conspiracies going on that are/were true, none of them are the giant things like JFK or WTC or aliens. Its little things like some failed/abandoned operation from 1968. Or names of refugees from cuba that can't be publically known cause they were in tight with Castro. Or things like this: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2005-11-03-electronic-tracking_x.htm
(cant vouche for the echelon thing, but the dot matrix printer bit is fairly accepted as truth)
In the end though, with todays sheer volume of information having access to that information is hardly as valuable as having the ability to filter it. I think the private sector is several steps ahead of the gov't in that regards.
I thought it was public knowledge that one of the biggest buyers of personal information is the US government-- saw it on 60 minutes or something.
It really isn't a suprise that Facebook does this since that is what all these internet companies do these days. Gather personal information and then sell it to various parties.
Sheer numbers and better things to worry about is enough to prevent me worrying about it. If someone wants to track me down and find out what I like to do in my spare time.. well have fun.
Don't forget you can control what information you have available by going to Privacy\applications\other applications in Facebook.
One of the interesting things mentioned in this video is the interlocking-relationships of the boards of directors for various companies. Check out theyrule.net to see just how prevalent this is. Most directors of large corporations sit on the boards of several companies at the same time, and also move from company to company pretty often.
For example, several directors who sit on the boards of pharmaceutical companies such as Pfizer, Abbott Laboratories and Dow Chemical, also sit on the boards of medical insurance companies such as Prudential and Met Life. Other interlocking boards that are fun to investigate are the relationships between military contractors and media outlets (yellow journalism, anyone?), or the relationship between companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed and companies like ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, ConocoPhilips, etc.
as if they didnt already have all our info from credit cards, work history, phone/internet service, magazine subscriptions, etc...
now they know you like hentai and bourbon.
Another illusion is opinion. If everyones opinions or votes actually counted towards the way the govt ran things or collected data, there would be thousands of civil wars. For all it's worth if you have nothing to hide, they really dont think about you any more than a number in a book.
It's just humans trying to think on a different scale, most of thier coverup stuff is to avoid being embarresed. It's our reputation they cover up, not mad scientist evil experiments or actions. Just really stupid mistakes, or our inability to deal with or explain certain situations with logic.
I don't really get in these conversations much but saying "For all it's worth if you have nothing to hide, they really dont think about you any more than a number in a book." is kind of a dangerous mindset.
true, tinman. this info-leech isnt important until it comes to things you WOULDN'T want them to know, but things that should be protected..things like personal political agendas, the right to meet and discuss, and criticize..the right, or responsibility, to rebel if needed....
having a eye on you everywhere limits the ability for things like this to even occur--if theyre ever needed.
So what exactly is this Facebook business anyway? The front page isn't terribly clear and I'll be damned if I'm signing up to a completely superfluous webpage.
its like myspace, jackablade, or friendster, or linkedin or any of those social networking sites. Mostly its a way to keep a blog, a friends list, pictures, commentary, and social events organized with your buddies. I use it as a way to keep tabs on all my old school pals.
Facebook used to be unique though, in that it only allowed students and people with authentic @edu emails to join, so it was supposed to make young people feel more comfortable about internet stalkers and being safe-on-the-internet. NOt sure how much of that attitude remains at facebook though.
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I work for the government, they are not that smart. The biggest thing I point out to people, is the overestimation of thier cunning.
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QFT. I love the conspiracy theorists who think the US government blew up the WTC. This is a government that couldn't hide a semen-stained dress. Riiiiight.
"The biggest thing I point out to people, is the overestimation of thier cunning."
That was particularly true of the cold-war era...still is true now. Though there ARE a lot of little conspiracies going on that are/were true, none of them are the giant things like JFK or WTC or aliens. Its little things like some failed/abandoned operation from 1968. Or names of refugees from cuba that can't be publically known cause they were in tight with Castro. Or things like this:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2005-11-03-electronic-tracking_x.htm
(cant vouche for the echelon thing, but the dot matrix printer bit is fairly accepted as truth)
In the end though, with todays sheer volume of information having access to that information is hardly as valuable as having the ability to filter it. I think the private sector is several steps ahead of the gov't in that regards.
It really isn't a suprise that Facebook does this since that is what all these internet companies do these days. Gather personal information and then sell it to various parties.
Don't forget you can control what information you have available by going to Privacy\applications\other applications in Facebook.
For example, several directors who sit on the boards of pharmaceutical companies such as Pfizer, Abbott Laboratories and Dow Chemical, also sit on the boards of medical insurance companies such as Prudential and Met Life. Other interlocking boards that are fun to investigate are the relationships between military contractors and media outlets (yellow journalism, anyone?), or the relationship between companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed and companies like ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, ConocoPhilips, etc.
Myspace is owned by FOX news. Not very comforting.
now they know you like hentai and bourbon.
*shrugs*
It's just humans trying to think on a different scale, most of thier coverup stuff is to avoid being embarresed. It's our reputation they cover up, not mad scientist evil experiments or actions. Just really stupid mistakes, or our inability to deal with or explain certain situations with logic.
having a eye on you everywhere limits the ability for things like this to even occur--if theyre ever needed.
Ceiling Cat = US GOV?
If the government is watching, I wonder if they're looking into my religion which states "First Church of the Baby Jesus Butt Plug"
Facebook used to be unique though, in that it only allowed students and people with authentic @edu emails to join, so it was supposed to make young people feel more comfortable about internet stalkers and being safe-on-the-internet. NOt sure how much of that attitude remains at facebook though.