First off, you need some reference to get your proportions in check. Maybe its just me but it looks disproportionate. The thighs seem too small to support that massive posterior :P The breasts are sitting wrong for someone with naturally large breasts, have a look at some photo reference to get an idea of how to fix that. The kneecaps are too high up in relation to the bend in the leg and the bend its too low down I think, hard to tell with the feet hidden by the grass.
I did a quick paintover for you to show some of what I mean.
Also bare in mind that Amazons were known to run a lot and I find it hard to believe that she would have such a large glutius maximus What you have here brings to mind a Mayan / Incan priestess or some such. It might pay to do some research into Amazon origins and the like. You have a good solid start but its just not feeling Amazon in my opinion.
Good luck, hope I have been more helpful than offputting :P
Is she covered in baby oil? Not that women in babyoil is a bad thing but, you might want to beak up the shinyness of it with a specular map. Also the skin looks really monotone, try adding some variations to it.
- Looks like a chick you would find in a Amazon Porn flick, not an actual Amazon. In other words she has too much fat not enough lean muscle. Amazons are warriors, breast and booty implants get in the way of kickin ass.
Its not one big thing that is throwing the model off, its a bunch of little things:
- The eyes are too small, so are the pupils. Small eyes/pupils on women = unattractive.
- The fingers look like extruded cylinders/sausage links. Also when people grip things as skinny as that spear their fingers would touch the fatty pad at the base of the thumb. The spear would rest more in the fleshy sling that connects the thumb to the hand. I don't know too many people that grip things just with their fingers. Rotate the first set of digits closest to the hand to help her grip things better. Since she's obviously a piece of spank art she should grip the spear like she would grip you, maybe you like a weak touch but when I think Amazon warrior I think strong hardened warrior chick with a bunch of sex appeal. Weak grip chips away half that idea...
- The outfit. Perfect for some sexy chick playing an amazon but not really functional warrior material. Consider giving her a knife, some calf high boots, a belt, some pouches, a quiver and arrows. Being prepared just isn't for anemic boy scouts its also goes well for warriors. Right now she looks more like a ceremonial guard rather than a warrior.
- The hair (I think its hair), needs quite a bit of work. She has a mullet, chicks with mullets only start to look sexy after a lot of tequila. Hair is hard to make, very hard to get right and even harder to animate correctly. Think about restraining the hair, tying it up, pinning it down. It will do two things,
1) Make sense for a warrior to not have flowing hair, too easy for an enemy to grab onto, it can get in the way when you don't need it too ect...
2) Allow you to work on the animations and not have to worry about every last strand of hair. You'll have enough on your plate animating her with out long flowing hair.
Sure hair plug-ins kind of help but they stick out like an albino on a black sand beach in Hawaii. If you didn't use a hair plug-in you did a great job of faking the plug-in look which isn't a good thing.
Think clumps of hair and think about how stiff hair actually is. How would it stand like that, how would it not clump together and lay flat?
- Her facial proportions say white suburban mom with a dark tan, perfectly plucked eyebrows and a hint of makeup. Considering the Amazon is in Africa you might want to rethink that... I'm not saying she needs a drastic Nubian overhaul but it is a touch odd that a heavily tanned white porn star is actually a warrior. If she is supposed to be "black" and a part of some lost tribe of warrior women she wouldn't be that light skinned. Considering the only way to lighten up a races skin color is to mix some cream in with the coffee, I doubt that happens that much in remote tribes cut off from, cream...
Now I understand that Amazon can mean just about any type of warrior women from any where. But this model seems stuck in between and I think it would benefit from going one way or the other.
thanks everyone for their 2 cents! Let me correct myself to say that I've realized she is more like a Inca princess rather than a amazon woman. I am still a student and one of my teachers told me that if you can make a hot chick, that you have skills because hot chicks are hard to create. I am going to go back and make tweaks: the eyes and texture map but at this point, I have the model rigged so the mesh is what it is. I wanted to ask you guys, I do not have a good fundamental understanding on how to create a spec map, I understand that basically the white shows more spec and black hides it but when I'm making one I just kind of randomize it it with dogge and burn tools in photoshop. Can anybody give me a good explanation on how to make spec maps or lead me to a good tutorial? Also I do have a SSS skin shader on her with a basic difuse. I am not sure what to do with the diffuse at this point, any suggestions would be appreciated. THANKS AGAIN! also I include the hand because someone said they look like sausages, I dunno maybe it looks better with a closeup?
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Considering the Amazon is in Africa you might want to rethink that... I'm not saying she needs a drastic Nubian overhaul but it is a touch odd that a heavily tanned white porn star is actually a warrior. If she is supposed to be "black" and a part of some lost tribe of warrior women she wouldn't be that light skinned. Considering the only way to lighten up a races skin color is to mix some cream in with the coffee, I doubt that happens that much in remote tribes cut off from, cream...
Now I understand that Amazon can mean just about any type of warrior women from any where. But this model seems stuck in between and I think it would benefit from going one way or the other.
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Sorry Vig, The Amazon is in South America and in fact has nothing to do with the name Amazon in reference to the Amazon warrior women, in fact the Amazon aquired that name in reference to them Acording to popular belief and several studies the Amazons most likely originated in the area bordering Eastern Europe and China. Suposedly (I say this due to lack of sufficient evidence for surity) the amazons were of Eastern European stock, likely an offshoot of the Bulgars/ Slavs or Serbs. Other evidence points to the posibility of Mongol bloodline mixed with the above. So in essence if you wanted accuracy pale skin would do you best. However if its Amazon in idea not in truth then you can pretty much do anything.
I fully agree with the rest of your points tho. Just had to play the knowitall
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Have a look at the max tutorials for the SSS skin shader, it helped me understand the bulk of how it works. As for spec I usually start with a heavily darkened version of the diffuse and then lighten and darken areas according to reflectiveness. Sometimes I find a negative imaged greyscale can help to get started. Basicly if its glossy it should be lighter if its fairly matte it should be darker. I suck at spec too but thats the principle as I understand it. Hope this helps.
Could we get a closeup of the face. She looks like she seems to lack the destinctly native South American features that I'd imagine an Amazon would have.
This woman looks about right for what you're working on, I think.
THeres the whole slicing off the left breast (See PaulTosca's Dominance War entry, but make sure you actually remove the correct breast) to avoid obstruction when shooting a bow.
Have a look there for some background. Again, Amazons have nothing to do with South America, only the name is shared.
You said you might go with inca priestess instead though, theres a lot of juicy info on inca culture around the net too, I find it always helps me to get some background on a concept before I start modeling or even concept drawing for that matter.
Oh and its the right breast that is removed according to history
You'd think with all the classical mythology I've read, I would have known they were part of greek mythology. Lets see Sarmatia... Ukrainian or southern Russian or some such. Milla Jovovich might make a good reference model.
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Hm. I can see how it'd help the freedom of the arm when throwing a javelin, but a bow? That'd mean they would have had to draw the string with the left hand. Generally one draws with the favoured hand. Ah well, it sounds like it might only be part of mythology anyway, so it doesn't have to make sense.
Jackablade, if you think about the way you stand with a bow, if you're pulling with your right hand, that means your left shoulder is leading, and the string is closest to your right shoulder, which is angled back. Therefore the right breast would be the one most likely to obstruct or potentially be damaged by the bow string being released. The left breast doesn't really cause any problems since it's not in the way of anything. I would draw you a picture but it seems fairly straightforward if you just think about the way you hold and fire a bow
SneakyP: This looks like a decent start, but as people have mentioned there are quite a few issues with limb proportion, also the face could do with some work to make it look more natural.
Also, the shininess on the flesh doesn't make much sense, I'd tone it down a bit so it looks less like she's covered in oil.
Yeah, whichever breast was removed it definately gives a model character. All this talk about amazons has made me want to make one now lol
I would suggest that you take the advice here and sort out your proportions and such and make the face more natural, even if it means rerigging her afterwards. You have a great start to what could make an excellent portfolio piece, why "leave it as it is" and have a mediochre model when you could make it a showpiece? Unless your time is seriously limited ofcoarse, even then though you can do all this after the deadline and put it in your portfolio
Two things that stood out to me now are the thumbs and the ankles. The thumb has a wierd bend to it and the ankle has too much slope at the front of it.
The eyes could also use some texture luvin. Just more detail in the iris and some redness at the outer areas of the white.
I agree with Notman + I thing the chin is to much sharp, especially in side view she looks odd. Eyebrow is also wrong. It should be wider and less sharp on the edges.
Keep going, there has been a lot of improvement in last update.
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Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Lopping off one of them would make the character more interesting, regarldess of which it is.
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Strictly speaking, the bow/breast thing only applies if we're talking about amazons from Greek mythology. There's an Amazon Woman and then a woman from them Amazon (rainforest). It might be a bit strange to indulge in breast-slicing because of people naming things similarly that don't really have anything to do with one another. /pedant
I do definitely agree that she's in need of some more interest, however. Lopping off her boobies may or may not be the way to go
thanks for the feedback!!....I'm thinking about redoing the hair and eyebrows instead of the hair and fur modifier. any suggestions? Eyebrows just on the tpage? Also I modeled the eyelashes but not too happy with the results. I followed this tutorial..http://www.3dtutorials.sk/index.php?id=27
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I did a quick paintover for you to show some of what I mean.
Also bare in mind that Amazons were known to run a lot and I find it hard to believe that she would have such a large glutius maximus
Good luck, hope I have been more helpful than offputting :P
Its not one big thing that is throwing the model off, its a bunch of little things:
- The eyes are too small, so are the pupils. Small eyes/pupils on women = unattractive.
- The fingers look like extruded cylinders/sausage links. Also when people grip things as skinny as that spear their fingers would touch the fatty pad at the base of the thumb. The spear would rest more in the fleshy sling that connects the thumb to the hand. I don't know too many people that grip things just with their fingers. Rotate the first set of digits closest to the hand to help her grip things better. Since she's obviously a piece of spank art she should grip the spear like she would grip you, maybe you like a weak touch but when I think Amazon warrior I think strong hardened warrior chick with a bunch of sex appeal. Weak grip chips away half that idea...
- The outfit. Perfect for some sexy chick playing an amazon but not really functional warrior material. Consider giving her a knife, some calf high boots, a belt, some pouches, a quiver and arrows. Being prepared just isn't for anemic boy scouts its also goes well for warriors. Right now she looks more like a ceremonial guard rather than a warrior.
- The hair (I think its hair), needs quite a bit of work. She has a mullet, chicks with mullets only start to look sexy after a lot of tequila. Hair is hard to make, very hard to get right and even harder to animate correctly. Think about restraining the hair, tying it up, pinning it down. It will do two things,
1) Make sense for a warrior to not have flowing hair, too easy for an enemy to grab onto, it can get in the way when you don't need it too ect...
2) Allow you to work on the animations and not have to worry about every last strand of hair. You'll have enough on your plate animating her with out long flowing hair.
Sure hair plug-ins kind of help but they stick out like an albino on a black sand beach in Hawaii. If you didn't use a hair plug-in you did a great job of faking the plug-in look which isn't a good thing.
Think clumps of hair and think about how stiff hair actually is. How would it stand like that, how would it not clump together and lay flat?
- Her facial proportions say white suburban mom with a dark tan, perfectly plucked eyebrows and a hint of makeup. Considering the Amazon is in Africa you might want to rethink that... I'm not saying she needs a drastic Nubian overhaul but it is a touch odd that a heavily tanned white porn star is actually a warrior. If she is supposed to be "black" and a part of some lost tribe of warrior women she wouldn't be that light skinned. Considering the only way to lighten up a races skin color is to mix some cream in with the coffee, I doubt that happens that much in remote tribes cut off from, cream...
Now I understand that Amazon can mean just about any type of warrior women from any where. But this model seems stuck in between and I think it would benefit from going one way or the other.
Considering the Amazon is in Africa you might want to rethink that... I'm not saying she needs a drastic Nubian overhaul but it is a touch odd that a heavily tanned white porn star is actually a warrior. If she is supposed to be "black" and a part of some lost tribe of warrior women she wouldn't be that light skinned. Considering the only way to lighten up a races skin color is to mix some cream in with the coffee, I doubt that happens that much in remote tribes cut off from, cream...
Now I understand that Amazon can mean just about any type of warrior women from any where. But this model seems stuck in between and I think it would benefit from going one way or the other.
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Sorry Vig, The Amazon is in South America and in fact has nothing to do with the name Amazon in reference to the Amazon warrior women, in fact the Amazon aquired that name in reference to them
I fully agree with the rest of your points tho. Just had to play the knowitall
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Have a look at the max tutorials for the SSS skin shader, it helped me understand the bulk of how it works. As for spec I usually start with a heavily darkened version of the diffuse and then lighten and darken areas according to reflectiveness. Sometimes I find a negative imaged greyscale can help to get started. Basicly if its glossy it should be lighter if its fairly matte it should be darker. I suck at spec too but thats the principle as I understand it. Hope this helps.
This woman looks about right for what you're working on, I think.
THeres the whole slicing off the left breast (See PaulTosca's Dominance War entry, but make sure you actually remove the correct breast) to avoid obstruction when shooting a bow.
Have a look there for some background. Again, Amazons have nothing to do with South America, only the name is shared.
You said you might go with inca priestess instead though, theres a lot of juicy info on inca culture around the net too, I find it always helps me to get some background on a concept before I start modeling or even concept drawing for that matter.
Oh and its the right breast that is removed according to history
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Hm. I can see how it'd help the freedom of the arm when throwing a javelin, but a bow? That'd mean they would have had to draw the string with the left hand. Generally one draws with the favoured hand. Ah well, it sounds like it might only be part of mythology anyway, so it doesn't have to make sense.
SneakyP: This looks like a decent start, but as people have mentioned there are quite a few issues with limb proportion, also the face could do with some work to make it look more natural.
Also, the shininess on the flesh doesn't make much sense, I'd tone it down a bit so it looks less like she's covered in oil.
Keep it up!
http://www.campcherith.ws/activities/archery%20-g.jpg
If she had any breasts to speak of, the string would snag on the left, not the right.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Lopping off one of them would make the character more interesting, regarldess of which it is.
Yeah, whichever breast was removed it definately gives a model character. All this talk about amazons has made me want to make one now
I would suggest that you take the advice here and sort out your proportions and such and make the face more natural, even if it means rerigging her afterwards. You have a great start to what could make an excellent portfolio piece, why "leave it as it is" and have a mediochre model when you could make it a showpiece? Unless your time is seriously limited ofcoarse, even then though you can do all this after the deadline and put it in your portfolio
The eyes could also use some texture luvin. Just more detail in the iris and some redness at the outer areas of the white.
The recent improvements are much better though
Keep going, there has been a lot of improvement in last update.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Lopping off one of them would make the character more interesting, regarldess of which it is.
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Strictly speaking, the bow/breast thing only applies if we're talking about amazons from Greek mythology. There's an Amazon Woman and then a woman from them Amazon (rainforest). It might be a bit strange to indulge in breast-slicing because of people naming things similarly that don't really have anything to do with one another.
I do definitely agree that she's in need of some more interest, however. Lopping off her boobies may or may not be the way to go