IMI TAVOR

Uly

*UPDATE 4:*
Got some time to buckle down and UV map the bastard. Just need to finish off the frame, then I'll generate some... Heightmaps...







Some Ref:
Ref 1
Ref 2
Ref 3

Old WIP 1
Old WIP 2

chinups

Looking good uly, looking forward to updates

Uly

Model has been updated. New pic on top.

steady

this is a totally sweet gun, with the bullpup design. Israel sure knows how to make em.

there must be better reference out there for you to use, use google! finish this model up and start uv mapping! make it high poly and throw it into source or something.

Uly

Updated again. Screens are up top.
HiPoly is done. Now onto the low cage.

EarthQuake

Seems too thin, dosent have any cool bulk to it at all, would look really lame in FPV.

Uly

Thanks EQ. Took a look through some reference photos to discover that you're absolutely right. Will make tweaks.

IceWolve

Your pistol grip part is to flat.

I also agree with Eq on it feels to thin

http://www.defense-update.com/images/tavor-kalai.jpg
http://www.defense-update.com/images/tavor-training.jpg
http://www.defense-update.com/images/tavor-mepro.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/tavor/tavor.jpg
http://www.wizards.com/d20modern/images/wl_gallery/78934.jpg
http://www2.kadoorie.galil.k12.il/2006/alexanders/Pics/tavor-girl.jpg

isrealie soldier chicks are hot >_>

Uly

Yes. : ) Quasar pointed this out earlier and it's fixed. You'll see the new one in the update. I also shortened the barrel length so that it more closely matches the assault rifle variant rather than the sniper variant. That will wait until I have some time to make a scope and bipod as well.

That orthographic outline is a nice pic! I'll use it to tweak some of the curves. Sadly, I already have the rest of the photos. If you come across any straight on photos, that would be nice. I have one with skewed perspective.

...And yes. I always end up spending the most time looking at *that* reference photo in particular.

IceWolve

Ugh, if you are talking about your grip being fixed its not, its still a box with slightly rounded off corners and would be uncomfortable to hold. If you use that drawing outline i used you can tell when you should start rounding off the grip.

Uly

I haven't posted the update yet. : P Gimme 15.
Edit: Eh. It'll have to be tomorrow. Busy busy, shall post later.

IceWolve

Lol oh ok. I thought you ment that you had already posted the update so i went back up and looked at the pictures again. My bad.
Looking foreward to the update.

EarthQuake

personally this is my favorite version of that rifle

snap.crackle.pop

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Seems too thin, dosent have any cool bulk to it at all, would look really lame in FPV.

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I completely disagree, looks total pimp to me, really like this one, i would have used something other than red for review but looks great so far

systmh

that's a very nifty model, i like the attention to the panel lines. i checked the ref though and i gotta agree, i think it might be a little bit too narrow across the x-axis. or maybe it's the perspective giving that illusion. either way, with guns in first person view it's usually a good practice to thicken them up along that axis to counter the perspective and make it look a little more 'solid' (since from first person you're mostly seeing lines across that axis. the lines on the z-axis taper into the vanishing point in front of you).
makes me want to go work on something highpoly, which is rather rare for me.

oh, and i forgot to add, with the bumpiness on the normal map: why not just make the bumpiness with the nvidia photoshop filters after the fact and layer them down on the baked normal map, all in photoshop? i'm not sure which blending mode you'd use, but it seems like it would work and it'd be a shame to use two different kinds of bump maps. just a thought.

Uly

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that's a very nifty model, i like the attention to the panel lines. i checked the ref though and i gotta agree, i think it might be a little bit too narrow across the x-axis. or maybe it's the perspective giving that illusion. either way, with guns in first person view it's usually a good practice to thicken them up along that axis to counter the perspective and make it look a little more 'solid' (since from first person you're mostly seeing lines across that axis. the lines on the z-axis taper into the vanishing point in front of you).
makes me want to go work on something highpoly, which is rather rare for me.

oh, and i forgot to add, with the bumpiness on the normal map: why not just make the bumpiness with the nvidia photoshop filters after the fact and layer them down on the baked normal map, all in photoshop? i'm not sure which blending mode you'd use, but it seems like it would work and it'd be a shame to use two different kinds of bump maps. just a thought.

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Thanks for all the comments guys, I appreciates. And yeah, on the normal map, that's what has me confused. Because a normal map, like a bump map, has a neutral value, it would essentially "paint over" the base normal map. I could go in there and erase particularly offending areas, but it would be useless on a curved area. I was contemplating bringing it into Mudbox or ZBrush later and giving it the alpha treatment, but I'm iffy on whether or not it would work.

Either way, doing more work on the thing today, should have something to post later.

EarthQuake

What you want to do is set it to overlay, and go to the blue channel and clamp the values to 127

Uly

Thanks very much for the tip EQ, I'll be trying that in the next few days, and I'll post the normal map for critique. I widened the gun, updated particularly how the MARS sight attaches to the gun, though it's really hard to see, it's mostly for the normal map without the scope, and I rounded off the handle as mentioned before. Tweaks are easy to make at this point, so further C&C are still welcome. Thanks to everyone again for all the critique, I appreciates.

Refer to first post for updates.

Uly

Gawd... Been a while. Whoopshie daisies.
Update at top.

EarthQuake

can you post a render of the highres thats not just GI with no lights? Its imposible to tell the quality of hte model when you do that, show a render with some pointlights, and a material with specular.... you can do GI but dont ONLY do GI it kills all the details.

something like this(no gi): http://dfacto.johnyontehspot.com/3d/dfacto_smgfront.jpg

or this(small amout of gi): http://johnyontehspot.com/pix/dfactoguyrender01.jpg

Joao Sapiro

EQ ftw !!

Uly

EQ ftl. Break my heart you do, asking me to... Do work. I'll do a final render of the high poly once the UV map is done.

btw - Thanks for that Photoshop tip. Going to be trying it out tonight.

Here you go:

EarthQuake

yeah cool, thats much better. Now we can actually see the model

systmh

a bit of a follow-up on photoshopping that detail into the normal maps; poop has a good tutorial on making normal maps with photoshop and then combining them with normal maps baked in a 3d application. here's the page where he covers that:
normal map workflow
especially useful is this image (sorry for hotlinking your image, poop):

last but not least, here's a link to download NVfilter, if you don't have it already:
Nvidia normal map filters

chinups

Thats a cool little tutorial, thanks systmh