Zinedine Zidane

Super

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Challenged myself to do a likeness test, as I've never done one before. Boy, it's harder than I anticipated. Decent (consistantly aged) ref was hard to find, but here's where I'm at. Figured I'd ask for crits as some of you guys do likeness for a living (respect!) plus I'm at that point where I can't see what needs changing now.

joolz8000

It's a good start. How about showing us your refs?

MoP

Looks pretty good, I always thought his chin and head weren't as wide as that though... he's a bit more "pointy" than chiselled and lantern-jawed, I think.

noritsune

definitely a good start. I think that your neck is much too long. people have a tendency to really overdo the length of the neck (as well as the arms and torso).

Mike_Carlyle

kinda reminds me of harrison ford lol

Neo_God

You know I was trying to figure out who he looked like, and Mr. Carlyle reminded me. C'mon Super, don't make a sports guy, make Indie or Deckard!

diZzyWalnut

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kinda reminds me of harrison ford lol

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...I'm sorry for You Super but at this time in view front I see also more Harrison Ford than Zizou.

<u>BUT DON'T GIVE UP</u> I would to like ( and not only me, I'm sure )to see how it will turn in right way.

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Anyway - for rights crits and for to be objective - You have to post some reference or could be better some "model sheet" of our hero this world champ. 2006

What's Your reference for Zizou ?

Super

Harrison Ford? Christ. Here's basically the 3 main reference/best images I've been using.

diZzyWalnut

I'm working on - wait 15 minutes

diZzyWalnut

well -just quickly .... from view front -eyes has to be larger to the nose; lip up needs more form and the res You see....

side view -I'm not sure if Your pick side is realy good one -
( cause I see more special expression of Zizou then real Zizou's profile )...
but if You want You can work on it -


I'm sure that You see already all Your mistakes.

DON'T GIVE UP

Super

Thanks for taking the time to do that, really hits home what needs changing.

I couldn't find a better side shot than that one, despite his expression. Plus I think the front one is fairly different to how he looks nowdays (older, I mean). But mistakes are glaring, I'll work on it some more and post an update. Thanks again, super helpful.

SouL

Hm. Be careful about that profile shot. He's looking slightly up. (not height of the ears in relation to the area between the eyebrows and nose)
But it's difficult to say if that's 100% true or not because there are varations in the height relations of what I mentioned above.

One sure way to try and fix that would be to match your profile then rotate the head down close to where it matches your front ref.

pior

I'd say don't limit yourself to front, side, and perspective - grab a fairly nice amount of pictures from different angles and light conditions, and keep jumping from one to the other to feel his features. I found this really helpful for past projects.

I don't have much experience about likeness modelling, but why not practicing his features by doing a few shaded photoshop sketches? I'm sure that if you can convey a likeness in 2D, you'll be likely to success in 3D. Then again, just a thought...

A nice one in Marseille(s)

No fake!

He has been in many ads too, I think it can help to get the idealized features spot on.

diZzyWalnut

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I don't have much experience about likeness modelling, but why not practicing his features by doing a few shaded photoshop sketches? I'm sure that if you can convey a likeness in 2D, you'll be likely to success in 3D. Then again, just a thought...


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Like DAZ -





yeah this will help surely - just do it and look at tuto of DAZ, can be helpful for You.
here is :
http://home.comcast.net/~dpattenden/hi_poly_tut.htm

Super

Finally got time to work on this again at the weekend, here's an update. Closer I think, the side especially, although I didn't copy the side exact as I tried to get a balance from various types of shots as pior said. Daz's tutorial is awesome, I forgot about that. Those techniques help tons.

For me, the 3/4 is the most off.. and yet I can't for the life of me point out why.

Cybroxide

Yeah Daz seems to be a master of character likenesses. I really liked that tutorial as well. Its Looking really good so far but his brow seems very low. Zidane does have a very powerful brow but I dont think its that low. Try raising it up slightly.

Jaco

Getting closer. The upper lip should be fuller, the side view is looking good. His brow doesn't cover up that much of his upper-eyelids, try rasing the brow as Cybroxide said.

Super

Cheers fellas. Any closer?

Having to keep importing 500k meshes into Maya just to check perspective sucks. Roll on Mudbox.

diZzyWalnut

The upper lip neeed still more form and eyes needs to be a little bit more opened .... think so.
You're getting closer.

Slash

Who is this guy?

Mark Dygert

Yea, don't do the obvious thing and look it up... nothin but luv slash =P

diZzyWalnut

oki doki Super ,
I'm NOT an expert in a likeness and
I don't claim that my work "PAINT-OVER" is at 100% all right . I've spent my evening with Your work ,cause I don't want You to give up (resign) this model.
It's just my opinion about the look of "Z.Zidane".
I hope that my "PAINT-OVER" will help You.
I've made choice of Your reference "BLACK&WHITE" as the best one.



Here's the most important retouch what I've done :
* eyes more open
* lip up more form (shape)
* position of the whole mouth little bit up
* nose more large

What You think ? Anybody's got other suggestion ?
Highpoly artists can You give some crits for Super ?

Go on.

thnom

That re-touch also shows a lack of "puff" underneath the eyes. You've got the markings but you need to put above the line out. You also need to bring it a bit further around (that image above shows that the puffiness extends to right underneath the eye).

Super

diZzyWalnut, cheers once again fella. Nice of you to do that. Most of that looks better except for the eyes, in my opinion what gives Zizu his identifiable look is his frowning brow and focued eyes. That front picture of him is not only when he was younger, but he's posing neutrally (which unless you have pinups of his photoshoots on your walls, you don't really see him doing). He's also kind of droopy eyed, looking sad. That's not me saying I've perfected the eyes or anything, but you see him with that beady eyed look more often than not, so I'd rather get the eyes closer to one of the other pictures above for instance than that front shot.

I think what you've done shows how far out the lips are though, and as thnom said, the area under the eyes. Chin also looks better in the paintover.

All noted, I'll have to wait until the weekend to work on it again *sigh*, but I'll fix some of those things. Maybe I should've picked someone more recognisable (should've said it was Ford, doh), most people seem to not know who he is (mostly on American forums, which is fair enough I suppose as the game is not like a national sport there). Good job I posted here then, really.

diZzyWalnut

...it's NOT so easy.I know.
Hey SUPER , I've got another suggestion - You have to model <u>"THE EYE BROW"</u> (and even his hear), cause I'm sure this will help You determine his eyes and whole look ( his expression).
Anyway You're going to make normal map , non ?

Good luck