Spline loops and Sub-D Heads. (Max)

oXYnary

Im going about the edge loop head animation idea a bit differently from most. Versus starting with a box or extruding edges and building the surface from scratch, Im using splines (too many years of Illustrator I guess). As such, the tutorials I have seen are only of limited value since they focus so much on the subdivision method of boxes.

What would help me out even more if someone would be willing to send me a well formed non tri head that I can view inside max as to get better angles and detail shots of areas that Im trying to figure out how to get to shape right (as far as keeping a consistent loop).

No, Im not going to use yours for anything other as a study to see how the flow works.

Eric Chadwick

Well there was a spline-modeling tut on the old polycount site, maybe by Scott Ruggels? Might give you some ideas, if you can find it.

Ahhh, found it, had a d/l in my library. It's a 3MB MHT-format file, an IE-readable HTML variant that incl. pictures. Want me to email it?

Surface Tools for Low Poly Modeling
by Scott A. H. Ruggels

oXYnary

I think I know which one your talking about. Its what got me started in using splines. But it was for making a low poly character right?

I need something much more advanced specific to making next gen heads with good edge loop topology for facial animation/next gen. Since I believe this doesnt exist for splines, again, if someone knows where a good example sub d head that has excellent topology that can be opened in max (ie a physical object versus just a online tut). It would really help me study how to adapt my splinging methods.

Eric Chadwick

Arshlevon had a nice-looking sub-d mesh on his site of Michelangelo's David, IIRC he offered the Max file too.

oXYnary

Do you have the direct link? His main page lists being under construction. (Just to clarify, the low poly sub-d, not the final high poly one for normal mapping {if in fact thats what the max file shows)

Eric Chadwick

Sorry, no. But yes it was the low-poly cage model, I remember d/l it to take a look. Ask him, he probably has it floating around, from what I remember he said on his site he was offering it free for anyone to use/abuse.

arshlevon

hey guys, i upped a few models to my site, the david, my self portrait and the hell chick, you might have to unhide some stuff cause i dont know what the current state of the model is. you can grab them here http://www.arshlevon.com/models

on a side note i had an interesting conversation with a programmer at work, about how programmers like to share everthing and artist wont share anything, and so what you get is all this amazing innovate new software, but everyone still sucks at art.

Eric Chadwick

Speak for yourself!

Thanks for sharing these, I'm thinking of ripping David's arm off for a quickie tech demo piece. When we eventually make the source max file public, as tutorial fodder, your name will be in the Summary Info as a modeler credit... do you want me to use your real name? And is that usage cool with you?

arshlevon

yeah please use whatever you want,for whatever you want, if you give me credit you can use my real name, samuel sharit.

oXYnary

Thanks arsh. Again, I wont use any of your work directly, just for reference. You can't learn unless you do it yourself.

Eric Chadwick

Yeah ditto arsh, I appreciate it.

JordanW

good stuff arsh i completely agree about the sharing thing, i would like to see more people doing it as well.

JKMakowka

See my sig

Btw, useing a more open format (.max can really only be used if you own max) would probably be helpful.
Oh and would this be the appropiate licence you put that stuff under:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/deed.en