Nintendo Conference
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So what's everyone think?
Controller looked like it worked fairly well for most things. I don't think it looked as good as what the expectations were, but some of it's uses seemed cool.
Graphics were... bad.
Game list looked decent but unappealing to me.
However, I'd still say I was fairly impressed. Not overly, but it was deffinatly fairly good.
Controller looked like it worked fairly well for most things. I don't think it looked as good as what the expectations were, but some of it's uses seemed cool.
Graphics were... bad.
Game list looked decent but unappealing to me.
However, I'd still say I was fairly impressed. Not overly, but it was deffinatly fairly good.
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Some amazing games (Red Steel, Mario Galaxy, Zelda) and a bunch of mediocre stuff. The tiny glimpse of what looked like Pilotwings was interesting. If anything, the Wii will make for a good party game system. Thing is, I usually play with freinds online, not at my house. Oh well. Still looking forward to the back catalog.
Maybe they will have some great titles later on.
I hate this "let's remove the power button and only give it standby" trend. Fuck that. If I wanted the system to remain on I wouldn't push the power button. I'll just pull the plug, just like I have to do with Sony's PoS2.
I'm not afraid of moving to play a game. I just don't want to do that for EVERY GAME I PLAY. For stuff like Zelda or Red Steel, it looked great. But if I want to play Virtual Tennis or something, I might not be in the mood to get up and swing around. It's cool that you can - it's a GREAT party game principal. But if they require that feature to be used in every single game, I think that's bad.
I'd still prefer to go and play tennis. You know... outside. On a tennis court... Yea...
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like... in the sun? *shudder*
I'm glad they are combining golf/tennis/baseball into one game instead of screwing people for the £$.
There are more games I will get second hand on the cheap than buying at full price but A+++ for feeding me what I wanted. This will be the first console that I'll buy 4 controllers instead on the normal 1 or 2. I want people to play with my Wii.
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That looks like an incredibly un-ergonomical controller.
yeah they beat sony out in just the intro, they should of never let iwata get up there and drone on an on in engrish, and somthing they didnt go over, the classic control!!!! SNES anyone??
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i did read they would have attachment controllers for SNES/N64 and the GC would plug in. but why's it say "britishgaming.co.uk" on that controller?? o.O?
That SNES wannabe controller looks like ass, though. The original was horribly uncomfortable, and so will that new one. They should go with a more Gamecube-esque controller.
As for leaving the console on, what's the big deal? It's supposed to use less power than a single light bulb. If eletricity usage is that big of a deal, you shouldn't be buying game systems to begin with. You sure as hell shouldn't be browsing the web right now. And if you ever really needed it to be completely off, it's probably because you have to unplug it anyways. The only legit concern I see is bandwidth usage. Hopefully they do make it optional solely for that.
I don't think Nintendo beat the crap out of Sony at this conference. I think Sony beat the crap out of itself, and Nintendo did exactly what everyone was expecting it to do. We already know the controller is different. We already know there's a back catalogue. We already know Mario and Zelda and Metroid are going to make an appearance. We already know it has a silly name. What did people expect? That Reggie was going to go around buying free hookers and beer for the audience? Seriously.
As for leaving the console on, what's the big deal? It's supposed to use less power than a single light bulb.
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The amount of power used by a single lightbulb is not insignificant if you leave it on 24 hours a day. An average lightbulb is rated at 60 watts, which would be 1.4 Kw a day and 42 Kw a month. Where I live, our "baseline" power usage (which basically means the maximum amount of power we can use before we go into the higher tiered rates, which increase exponentially) is about 370 KwH a month (which we almost always exceed by around 300%, even when we don't run the a/c... which we never use because otherwise we'd have a $300 power bill). So, if we left a Wii on stand-by all the time, it would consume nearly 10% of our baseline power usage... and that's if you just leave it in stand-by and never actually play it. 10% for a SIGNLE device is pretty significant.
But of course, unplugging it when it's not in use shouldn't be too difficult. Both my roomates have PS2s, and they just flip the rear power switch instead of leaving the system in stand-by. It may be a small inconvienence, but it isn't really a problem... but GOD DAMN is energy expensive
The amount of power used by a single lightbulb is not insignificant if you leave it on 24 hours a day. An average lightbulb is rated at 60 watts, which would be 1.4 Kw a day and 42 Kw a month. Where I live, our "baseline" power usage (which basically means the maximum amount of power we can use before we go into the higher tiered rates, which increase exponentially) is about 370 KwH a month (which we almost always exceed by around 300%, even when we don't run the a/c... which we never use because otherwise we'd have a $300 power bill). So, if we left a Wii on stand-by all the time, it would consume nearly 10% of our baseline power usage... and that's if you just leave it in stand-by and never actually play it. 10% for a SIGNLE device is pretty significant.
But of course, unplugging it when it's not in use shouldn't be too difficult. Both my roomates have PS2s, and they just flip the rear power switch instead of leaving the system in stand-by. It may be a small inconvienence, but it isn't really a problem... but GOD DAMN is energy expensive
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Okay, I take it back. If you live somewhere where energy is that expensive, then yeah it's worth noting. I don't think Nintendo really targets electronic devices to people who suffer major consequences for running a light bulb, though.
I highly doubt Wii will force standby mode on people. Then again, they are copying Apple, the company who won't even put open buttons on their CD/DVD drives.
'Design was optimized with state-of-the-art processing technologies that minimize power consumption, keep the console compact and enable the "sleepless" WiiConnect24 mode.'
They have always been about keeping power consumption low. It can easily be a stanby mode with a 'wake on event' feature that'll wake it up enough to add scheduled downloads, new list of games to try, access to your animal crossing town so your friends can bury all of your fruit, etc.
I refuse to buy it unless they offer alternate controls. Or every game is going to be a slowed down version. Zelda looked terrible, the battles looked clunky, and the aiming was not very accurate.
It's a gamecube's polygon power with shader capability. The graphics on metroid prime 3 look identical.
The sleepless WiiConnect 24 mode means it will download content even on low power sleep mode. They gave an example of having visits in your..uhm that friendscode game..whatever, while your system slept.
I have some nice press videos for the Wii. It hurts my arm just watching it. Everyone of the demos looks like people are having troubles with it, and I can only imagine an hour of that being a nightmare.
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IGN on WiiSports
One interesting thing we learned while playing is that you can choose to either do wide, arching movements that genuinely simulate the real game of tennis, or, alternatively, you can choose simple flicks of the wrist to do the same thing. So, if you want to go out (like the actors in Nintendo's initial controller teaser video), you have that option. But if not, you can go small, too. The game recognizes and translates either movement to the court on the fly.
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Oh look - TWO analog sticks. And a HOME button. Nintendo ripped Sony and MS.....:P
I'll stick with the Gamecube controller
the NES controller was painfull
nintendo pretty much invented the analog joypad so I think they are entitled to slap the GC sticks on it.
acc, my cd eject button is on the keyboard, wheres the beef?
My inclination however, is that they all won't be offered to you this time at once for a low, low price. As Iwata said himself, the nunchucku add on is just one of the many possible add ons for the controller. That SNES controller is in a way, number two.
For example Super Mario Sunshine was great untill I had to keep aiming that water thing with the analog stick. I HATE analog movement, keeping the stick only lightly pressed for some reason completely wrecks my nerves, and I can only do it for short periods.
Then again, i'm a carpal tunnel candidate.
using as much energy as a nightlight in standby isn't a problem. using as much energy as an Xbox360 while playing is. honestly, you're debating lightbulbs in a nintendo thread.
the graphics don't look bad. since when is lack of normal maps, and high poly bad? the graphics, environments, effects, and gameplay look fun.
There appears to now be 3 controllers to choose from, so no more bitching about being FORCED to play games that FORCE you to use the remote that FORCES parts of your body to have motion...fatty fat fat.
point being, could you people be a little less depressing when the topic of Nintendo comes around? we're just waiting to have some fun. now I must go...my fingers hurt from typing too many words on this stupid keyboard.
But not having a solid base in the palms of my hands led to palm pain after long sessions.
GX, you're blowing that issue up. No one is complaining about having to move in general. We're complaining because we don't want to have to get up and jump around, just to play a game. If we can sit down and relax, using small gestures, that's fine. Some of the games look really fun. Revolutionary? No. Immersive? No. But fun. And that counts.
I think thats horrid and want the option to play it like a normal damned game.
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Then you're clearly missing the point. It's a new type of game system, and I can't wait to be more interactive. If you want a normal type of play, play games that don't require it, or play on another system.
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What if I have joint problems in my elbow and want to simply play a normal tennis game without having to swat flies or flick wrists? They should'nt penalize customers for not being able to make those motions was my point.
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Ok, so what if you have arthritis in your hands? Or tendonitis in your fingers? Or what if you lack thumbs? Damn Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, Sega, and more for not catering to the thumbless!
Then don't buy the Wii. You're obviously not their target market.
The response of that new controller is going to be hella slow, comparing a swatting motion to a button press.
That's part of the game. They don't ship FPSes with aimbots because manual aiming would be slow, it's part of the challenge.
They should'nt penalize customers for not being able to make those motions was my point.
What about users who lost their thumbs or even entire hands to accidents? Should Nintendo make sure they aren't left out?
GX, what I was talking about was the fact that they are going to push me to use this controller in games like Zelda for all the minigames and aiming. I think thats horrid and want the option to play it like a normal damned game. Same with metroid prime.
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I agree that the Zelda implementation seems really weak. Especially the boomerang, that looks stupid complicated. Hopefully the whole selecting targets thing is optional, and is only used for puzzle purposes (hitting multiple targets). Maybe in battle you can just lock-on and it'll throw normally towards a single target.
Metroid Prime however, immediately gives you the option of playing with the traditional lock-on mode. In addition to that, it even lets you mix the lock-on with the light-gun aiming if you want. There are definitely developers who are aware of these concerns.
But honestly if you're going to start complaining about flicking wrists, you need to go see a doctor. How are you using a mouse? Don't say full arm movements, because that must be tiring.
(and don't say trackball because I don't have a response to that
Ill see for myself when I'll have a revolution. YUS
BOO BOO!
GroupB: Cries about tennis elbow and lightbulbs.
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Then don't buy the Wii. You're obviously not their target market.
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Ditto. Why would you guys feel you're being forced or pushed to play these games? Don't reply to this thread anymore...or are you also being forced?
After seeing some NORMAL video presentations of Wii games in aciton, I'm diggin' it a lot more. Small movements are still translated properly. I like that.
There's still only a very few titles that have me interested though. Mario, Zelda and Pilotwings are still all that have me interested right now. And the back catalog
River City Ransom was fn' awesome.
I'm giddy like a schoolgirl.
Oh and I hope Snake keeps his C4 throw (grab enemy, attach C4, throw, KABOOM) from Dream Mix TV World Fighters. That was just damn funny.