VANESS released, new female character for UT2004
polycounter lvl 17
1. Name: Vaness
2. Version: 1
3. Compatibility: UT2004
4. Description: new female character
5. Comments: i love creating character, i cant wait for UT2007 and NM :up:
Vaness: 3166 polys, 1*512:head+1*1024:body+1*128:visor,TC skins:YES
6. Screenshot:
7. Credits: me and 3D progs
8. Download:
Cheers + SkinCity dl link: Vaness
2. Version: 1
3. Compatibility: UT2004
4. Description: new female character
5. Comments: i love creating character, i cant wait for UT2007 and NM :up:
Vaness: 3166 polys, 1*512:head+1*1024:body+1*128:visor,TC skins:YES
6. Screenshot:
7. Credits: me and 3D progs
8. Download:
Cheers + SkinCity dl link: Vaness
Replies
.Johny: u talked about the shader, but the shader is not the problem u know. Perhaps u think there is too much specular on her body texture but its not up to the shader but to the specular map and the specular mask i used. U can create a shader without specular if u want ... anyway i love specular but its just imo.
Manic: i agree for the texture size and garish: its what i wanted.
Any comments welcome
For informations, i've a look at these forums since a long time (1st in 2003 if i remember good), i've created an account since 10/2005 and posted 8 messages. Dont worry, i dont like to post a lot, i just have a look often and i often keep comments for me (bad or good, intelligent or stupid). And i am working professionnaly in the 3D industry (not the game industry) since 3 years now in France. Sometimes also, its hard for me to explain things in english since i am french. To finish, i am not a kevin, i am 31 old and i am married...
PS: PM discussion with KDR,i accepted his apologies, he's a real man, 10x...:)
New dl link at SkinCity, see 1st post
Cheers +
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10x for this constructive comment, muchly appreciated since i had an explanation with KDR...strange to see how some accomodate some others on these boards. (i hope "accomodate" is the good word, i am not sure).
I am not going to use "you" instead of "u" cos some dont like this. Its very practical for me and shorter and i think everybody can understand. If i begin to speak french, i am sure not a lot of people here will understand my words. So, stay polite and never forget, ...never forget , theres a man behind every computer here in these forums.
Regards
Et oui effectivement, beaucoup de gens parlent des langues diff
now if you don't make the effort to write correctly, why should people make the effort to read you and write a correct post for you ? this is a two-ways effort.
then on the critics side :
proportions are off, even if stylized, some stuff looks wrong.
The texture needs more work, looks like a base color with some fancy gold shader, make it look detailed and noble, even more as your design seems to be inspired from roman/greek civilizations (check the work some people did on imperator for instance)
don't stop where you think your skills may stop, because they don't, if you push them, you will be able to see that you can do way better, look at some tuts, like on poopster's site (poopinmymouth.com), etc.
you have a nice base idea man, you need to work it better to make it more appealing.
keep up the good work man, cool to see more ppms around
KDR : mate, sometimes, you frighten me, one second, I though Earthquake posted this with your username...
here's my honest crit:
The design is very generic and uninspired. A skinny chick with big armor boots and a form-fitting outfit... I don't think there's any design that's been done to death so much.
The texture is lacking in several areas:
- there's almost no detail painted in. You've outlined some basic shapes and filled them in with bland shaders and left it at that.
- there doesnt seem to be any functional design. How does her helmet stay on? How does she move in the armor? It looks like a bunch of big angular hard edges that would be really uncomfortable to even stand still in, much less fight in.
- I agree that you don't need a 512 just for the visor
- the artistic design of the armor is very basic. It's just a bunch of simple shapes stuck together.
The face could use some work, the main thing that I see wrong with it is the chin. It's way too sharp. Otherwise it looks decent.
Mostly it looks like you just need more practice. Keep making models and you will get better. I'd recommend studying the classic player models (quake 3, ut2k4) and see how the artists unified the design of armor with the character's peronsality and attitude.
But anyway.
Olivier, I belive you can't really avoid technical crits on such a model simply because the subject matter you choosed is so clich
Pior: i've baked a lighting map on her. For the specular mask on her armor, its just a grey 127 on all the surface armor, its wanted, perhaps it was not a good idea. I could have use more variations for this.
EarthQuake: what the hell does "wtf" means?
PS: 10x=thanx
THANX for some good comments, muchly appreciated...
Ex: left is the lightbake I used as a base, right is the detailling built on top of it.
Hope this helps.
On the other hand, it's only a character for UT2004. What i mean is there's no "normal map" yet. I had a look at your "head bunny texture" and it wasnt as much detailed too.
Anyway, thanx for your advices..i've already visited your website for yours tips (i've even let a comment a few months ago:-->10th of november 2005:raz).
and there's something I think you got wrong, if you're doing normal mapped characters, you don't need those shadows and highlights ( although it can help), this is a really different process.
as I told you in PM, maybe posting the face texture could make it easier for people to show you how to improve your texturing...
also look at some quake 3 character skins, the rendering engine is way less elaboraded ( although still very good) and you really have to paint shading and all on your textures ( i.e: the gladiator thread)
i've painted some extra shadows... with the dodge and burn tool.
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I'd advise against using Dodge and Burn for skin and flesh tones. These tools just don't create very natural shades, for human flesh - it'd probably be better to use the paintbrush and pick colours to paint with - that way you have total control over your values and colours. Dodge and Burn tools are fairly inaccurate when it comes to that (however they are useful for doing metal highlights and shadows).
The model looks pretty good but I agree with Pior and Vahl - there needs to be something which is more interesting than just a "girl in a space suit"... and Vahl is right, to get more detailed crits, you could post a wireframe screenshot, and some flat textures so we can see the artwork better
Keep it up!
Ok, here is the body:
Body
And here the head:
Head
Wireframe (quickrender): 3166 tris
Wireframe
Dont forget, it's for UT2004 so no normal mapping yet...max 3000-4000 tris for a character.
Regards+
PS: i changed "cheers+" by "regards+"
Matabus: please to meet u. Didnt know "cheers" was not a good word too. I dont even exactly know what it means exactly and i thought it was a good way to talk, perhaps "Regards" is best, please tell me. Anyway i wont forget your comment. I had a look at your folio, some good and bad things in it. Keep it up man
I'm not Pro as Mop, Vahl and Pior but here's my opinion -
body skin - the gold color doesn't work for me. There's something strange.
The rest needs more "relief".
head skin - needs more details and deeper colors.
wireframes -
on the body - wireframes are little bit basic ( You could work more her arms , torso ... and hand's proportions - size.
on the head - I don't see clean , but seems to me a little bit mess - disordre.
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Follow the advices of big brothers - polycounters Mop, Vahl and Pior - and Your next character will be better ; I'm sure.
Seriously? 10x = thanks? I guess maybe if i apply english phonetics to it. still sound more like "tanks" to me tho.. It annoys me to have to ask about things like that before i can understand a sentence. I guess thats the price to pay for hanging in an english-speaking forum with lazy users, without english being your first language. :P
(i still remember the ridicule i went through the first time i asked what "u" meant..:))
the monotony of the outline, drop shadow, and glows make the texture look "generated", and prevent each pixel from working to its best effect.
dont get me wrong - I use Layer Effects all the time. But usually I split them up afterwards into individual layers and go back and mask out or interrupt the highlight/shadow/outline in a way that seems natural to the situation.
just my two cents.