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Cthogua polycounter lvl 18
Does anyone else get too emotionally involved with job apps when looking for a job? I don't mean like McDonalds jobs, but like your first game industry gig, or if not your first, maybe a studio that you've always wanted to work for. I have a bad tendancy to get far too wrapped up in wanting to work somewhere when I hear something back from a company. I find myself day dreaming about living where ever said company is, about what the people and the work will be like. Then theres the crash as I either don't hear anything back after the initial response, or just flat out get rejected. Fortunatly for me I recover quickly, and I understand rejection and dealing with it is a big part of growing as an artist. Still it would make the job search far less stressful if I could just be emotionally detatched from these things. Then again is that just the nature of passion?

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  • killingpeople
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    killingpeople polycounter lvl 18
    all i can say is try and see an opportunity for what it truly is - try your best to keep your head on your shoulders, you can't have it floating off when you need it; you can receive bad news much better when you've prepared and acknowledged its potential.
  • Thegodzero
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    Thegodzero polycounter lvl 18
    After enough times of rejection i have grown to be pretty numb about the whole process. Maybe thats just me. When i land the job i just hope i can be happy about it and get over the numbness of the daily rejection.
  • Kevin Albers
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    Kevin Albers polycounter lvl 18
    I've gotten more emotional than I'd like on a couple of occasions when applying for jobs. Changing jobs can be a fairly big deal, so it's natural to get worked up when applying. I just remind myself that there are plenty of opportunities that will come along, and that no job is perfect/worth totally stressing out over. Usually that works, but not always. smile.gif
  • shotgun
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    shotgun polycounter lvl 20
    hey bro wink.gif

    kp said it.. you are simply clinging to the reality you are creating in your head.. and you are missing out all the fun and potential by not wanting to let go from your "illusion"

    the more you elaborate that reality, "experiencing" it in your own mind you build up more emotions and that leads to more stress.. more WHAT IF the whole pyramid collapses down on itself? that point, which is not under your control, scares you.. you're simply afraid to deal with whatever reality may come instead, which is a perfectly natural tendancy, i suppose.

    indeed, as kp said, if you openly are willing to accept and embrace ANY thing that may come, without judging it for being good or bad, you can MAKE IT good as you will instatly see it for it's fullest potential. the possibilities of what u can do with it are there, you are simply not seeing them. your vision is blocked, something in your psychology is leading your thought-way elsewhere, diverting it from a pure-er observation.

    who knows, maybe just then it will disappear and you'll go back to where you came from, posivitely suprised, perhaps, but now you have the knowledge of the other in your hands and the possibilities become even wider. had you reacted in anger (or other emotion) and rejected the 'other', you would ended up with nothing new, innit?

    it's all a matter of perspective my friend..
    simply put - you shouldn't think that the job will make your life any better, because it should already be as good as it can be.. as good as you make it. live this moment, not the illusion.

    hey and don't run off orlando before i see you eh? wink.gif
  • Ruz
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    Ruz polycount lvl 666
    I am afraid you will have to be a bit less emotional about it. i was exactly like you, and soon realised that quite often its not cause you are not good enough, just that that company might not be looking for what you have got to offer.
    Also you might post of an apllication or email it and some HR who knows sod all about art or games just ignores it because she is busy gossiping about whatever.

    End of the day when you are good enough you will break through, just stick with it. It took me 5 years to get in and I have been in the industry 2 years now. It can be a long painful process and only the most bloody minded make it.
    Then when you get in its another long painful process to get accepted and become good/consistent.

    just depends how badly you want it really
  • sinistergfx
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    sinistergfx polycounter lvl 18
    Either be ready for rejection, or spend the time/effort to get good enough that no one will reject you.

    Take that how you will. laugh.gif
  • gauss
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    gauss polycounter lvl 18
    You'll get far more rejections than offers, that's for sure. Back in November I did exactly what you mentioned--applied to a company that I very highly respect, Valve--but the key for me was knowing that since the chances were very slim indeed, instead of investing any self-worth in prospect, I made it into a self-contained challenge.

    Instead of saying, "OK, how they respond is how I'm going to think of my worth as an artist," which is a common trap for that kind of application, I basically made myself a challenge, on my own terms, to really push certain concrete goals with the portfolio. I wanted to do complete scenes, not just isolated designs on a blank background... and that was a goal I accomplished. It was an official application to Valve, but on emotional terms, it was a completely self-contained venture: I set out to challenge myself to better quality art, and I succeeded. So the emotional payoff was when I finished the portfolio work, not when I heard back about my application (which I basically didn't). If I had invested anything more emotionally in Valve's response, I'd still be left hanging now, months later. Not that I wouldn't have been completely stoked to hear back from them, obviously, but I had absolutely zero invested in the possibility. I strongly recommend doing the same: it takes all the emotional rollercoaster nonsense out of the equation smile.gif
  • Cthogua
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    Cthogua polycounter lvl 18
    blush.gif I didn't really mean this to turn into a Bo Hoo thread for my worries, I was honestly curious how many of you out there went through the same self-inflicted torture routine. I couldn't agree more with you KP (whoot for the job mang), Shot, an Gauss. Thats a great observation about the rediculousness of emotionally investing in an imaginary reality Eyal, and totally true. I don't think I had realized exactly what that was. I can see that there's really no value in attaching so much to it now. Unfortunatly there are some real world stresses that are putting a little more pressure one me. My apartment complex has been bought out by a condo developer and I have to be out by May. I'm really tired of Florida, and specifically the area that I live in, and would rather not get stuck in another 6 to 12 month lease. 3 people have died directly infront of my apartment in the last year of living here. 2, a mother and her 12 year old son, by car accident and another young woman was stabbed in the neck by a homeless woman. Theres still blood stains on the sidewalk from that one. But as Gauss suggested I've already started a project that I think I can enjoy making as a challenge to my skill level and also provide specific portfolio material. That way the emotional investment is into the work not the expectation.

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  • PaK
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    PaK polycounter lvl 18
    [ QUOTE ]

    I was exactly like you, and soon realised that quite often its not cause you are not good enough, just that that company might not be looking for what you have got to offer.


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    Easier said than done. it wasn't too long ago that i was looking for work. it sucks. i hate looking for work. i hate getting my hopes up.

    I think this last year has taught me alot...maybe next time I won't wear my heart on my sleeve.

    We just fired some people...or 'let them go'. We're also actively hiring and they know that...so that's gotta hurt. there is nothing worse than having just finished a project and then needing to look for work *ouch*

    -R
  • TomDunne
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    TomDunne polycounter lvl 18
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    Either be ready for rejection, or spend the time/effort to get good enough that no one will reject you.

    Take that how you will. laugh.gif

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    I figure sinister is pretty much on point with this, but I've gotta follow on that second part.

    I mentioned in Adam's "how's your life" thread that mine ain't all that and a bag of chips right now. That's largely because I've wasted sooooo much time trying to be 'perfect' and eliminate any chance of rejection. Believe me when I tell you that this is a bad idea. In short, you'll never hit that point with *anything* in life, but you will waste an amazing amount of time and energy in trying. Failing sucks. I detest failure so much that I won't even play friendly games that I think I will probably lose. Not at all a good attitude, and it's caused me to miss out on a lot of potential great things in life - girls I didn't ask out, jobs I didn't apply for, trips I didn't take, etc. My point (I have one!) is that the consequences of failure, the disappointment and disillusionment of coming up short, are better than the consequences of not even trying or 'waiting' to try.

    Cthogua, it's definitely a situation in which you sort of just have to close your eyes and jump. What I have found often helps me is to start making a 'backup' plan right as soon as my main goal is set. No matter how badly you want a particular gig, as soon as that application is out the door, treat it like you've already been rejected and move on to finding and applying for another job. It's a modern perspective on the samurai notion of living each day as if you're already dead - if in your mind you've already accepted that you will 'fail', you can proceed without fear of any specific consequence. And to step sideways with my philosophy, a fundamental tenet of Buddhism is that all suffering in life is caused by desire and attachment. Experiment with different approaches to help you 'let go' and dealing with possible rejections will become easier.

    This is easier said than done smile.gif
  • JO420
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    JO420 polycounter lvl 18
    I can definatly empathize. Its frustrating and in my heart i knew i would flourish if i was just given one shot. But unfortunatly you have to be very talented to go from 0-60 career wise. I see the game companies i dream of working for in the future as steps which i will take in time as i progress.

    If you are really trying and you know you have done everything in your power to work there but you still get rejected, then dont feel bad,that just means you are not at the level you need to be at the moment,dust yourself off and keep trying.
  • Prs-Phil
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    Prs-Phil polycounter lvl 18
    Dreams, Goals and Plans destroy the moment.

    Life is a crazy (and I mean REALLY CRAZY) place to be, check it out.
  • Ruz
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    Ruz polycount lvl 666
    lifes a piece of shit when you look at it, always look on....
  • Steve Schulze
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    Steve Schulze polycounter lvl 18
    The secret is to become a stubborn bastard. If you're rejected think this: "Alright, these guys don't think I'm good enough. I'm going to go away and get all better like. Then I'll apply again. That'll show them." That is, in all seriousness, what got me my gig at Tantalus. I just showed that I could improve fairly quickly and when they needed a new artsy type, I got the call.
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