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KeyserSoze
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Okay, so I know the real problem here is that my computer is four years old (which is about 110 in computer years), but I don't have the money to replace it right now.

It's been acting weird lately. A few days ago, it started to not recognize the soundcard, and almost every time I booted up I would have to reinstall the soundcard drivers. I figured the soundcard was dieing, so I removed it and used the motherboard's sound instead. That solved the problem temporarily, but now it's having another problem. Every time I boot up now, my monitor doesn't get any signal. I thought maybe I had knocked my videocard loose, or maybe my monitor was slowly dieing, but I came to find out that it was something to do with the RAM. If I take out my RAM, and then rotate which slot each stick is in, everything starts up as normal... but I have to do this EVERY time I start up my computer.

After I do this, everything seems to work as normal, but I have some serious concerns about what's going on. What the hell would cause something like this? It doesn't make any sense to me that I just move my RAM around and it starts working again, but it works. Does anyone have any idea what's going on?

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  • MoP
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    If the soundcard went screwy then the RAM went screwy, it seems to me that it'd be a motherboard problem. A similar thing happened to me last year, I thought it was the RAM initially but later determined it to be the RAM slots on the mobo that were screwed, not the RAM sticks themselves.

    Sounds like your motherboard may be slowly dying... do you know anyone with a spare compatible mobo lying around that you could try your CPU and RAM in?
  • CheapAlert
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    maybe your soundcard has an irq conflict !!!!!!
  • KDR_11k
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    KDR_11k polycounter lvl 18
    Cheapy: That wouldn't start to cause trouble suddently, that would have caused trouble right away.
  • CheapAlert
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    CheapAlert polycounter lvl 18
    Well my SB16 had the same problem with Windows 98 ages ago. Had to move the sound card to a different slot for it to work without losing itself.
  • KeyserSoze
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    KeyserSoze polycounter lvl 18
    [ QUOTE ]
    Sounds like your motherboard may be slowly dying... do you know anyone with a spare compatible mobo lying around that you could try your CPU and RAM in?

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    That's what I was thinking. I think my roommate may have an old Socket A mobo lying around (which is what this is), but I haven't bothered asking him if I could borrow it yet because I don't want to go through the hassle of putting everything in a new mobo. I have thermal paste on my CPU, so I'd have to clean that off (and I don't have any more paste lying around, so I wouldn't be able to reapply it).

    I guess I should do that sometime soon, though. I only hope that my computer doesn't have a major meltdown before I'm able to buy a new one (which is going to be a while). Poor old guy, he's had a tough life laugh.gif.
  • KeyserSoze
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    KeyserSoze polycounter lvl 18
    [ QUOTE ]
    maybe your soundcard has an irq conflict !!!!!!

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    But would that cause the problem with moving my RAM around? I don't have the soundcard in there anymore, but it still does the strange thing where the monitor gets no signal until I move the RAM around to different slots.
  • pyromania
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    pyromania polycounter lvl 18
    After 4 years the motherboards CMOS battery may be dieing. That can cause all sorts of problems because the battery is what keeps all the hardware settings in the BIOS when the power is off. As the battery gets low it can do weird things to the BIOS.

    So I'd try replacing the battery before you swap the motherboard. The battery is just a standard 3volt lithium button cell battery. Usually model number CR2032, you can find them in Walmart and radio shack for like $3-5

    http://images.google.com/images?q=cmos%2...sa=N&tab=wi
  • KeyserSoze
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    KeyserSoze polycounter lvl 18
    Thanks man, I'll be sure to give that a shot.
  • MoP
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    MoP polycounter lvl 18
    Hmm, good info Pyromania, I'll bear that in mind! smile.gif
  • Mishra
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    Mishra polycounter lvl 18
    i figure that since this problem seems to have been semi-fixed maybe i could bring up a problem i have with my computer to avoid making another thread.

    without warning, i will get a blue screen of death. it just pops up, and i cant get out of it without restarting. any sound playing at the time will loop the same small portion infinitely. it also says something along the lines of "dumping memory" or something and a countup, starting at 0 and going on to whenever i restart. i have no idea how to recreate the problem, sometimes it happens several times per day. sometimes it will happen thne i restart and then it will happen again immediately. other days it wont happen a single time. any help?
  • MoP
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    MoP polycounter lvl 18
    Mishra that used to happen to me, until I removed my SBLive sound card and just used the on-board sound, it hasn't happened since. Might be nothing to do with the problem you're having, but it worked for me.
  • Justin Meisse
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    Justin Meisse polycounter lvl 19
    Mishra: if your computer is a few years old its probably time to backup your data, format the drive and reinstall windows from scratch. If you are using Win2k or lower I'd suggest picking up Windows XP Pro or Home.
  • Mishra
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    Mishra polycounter lvl 18
    i'm already on windows xp, and i think i only use on board audio, when i built it i didnt put in a soundcard. i think formatting would be the best idea if the cd drive worked, currently my computer has to be on its side since the CPU fan died i had to take a casfan and put it over the heatsink otherwise it restarts. when i turn it upright it goes off because i cant screw the fan in. maybe getting another hard drive, setting that as the primary would work, would it?
  • Justin Meisse
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    Justin Meisse polycounter lvl 19
    your computer is in need of some lovin man! Get a proper fan for your cpu, overheating will cause stability problems
  • Mishra
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    Mishra polycounter lvl 18
    thats why i put a case fan in it, but its a different size than the original fan so it wont screw in.
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    Mishra polycounter lvl 18
    holy asscracker they make those? i will have to get one. thanks.
  • KeyserSoze
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    KeyserSoze polycounter lvl 18
    Yeah, I put one of those 60mm to 80mm fan adapters on my family's computer because I was too lazy to fix the computer's airflow problems the correct way. It worked like a charm (loud as hell, but you can get quieter case fans).
  • Justin Meisse
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    Justin Meisse polycounter lvl 19
    the best part about larger fans is that you can run them at lower speeds and push the same amount of air as a smaller fan, lower speed=quieter fan

    I've also got a 45 degree elbow adapter between my fan and heatsink, this supposedly negates a turbulance that normally forms just under the fan. I'm pretty hard core about cooling.
  • Downsizer
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    It's not an IRQ conflict. It's either motherboard, power, or bios corruption.

    The devices obviously work fine. Re-install whatever OS you are using to validate if it's hardware vs software. If it's still a problem, you know it's the mobo. 2 devices going off and on at random is less likely than teh middle man being the issue.

    gimme the mobo specs and i can find a cheap new one for you perhaps.

    Also mop, on board sound stalls game performance by about 10 percent. I read an article on it somewhre, somethign to do with bus traffic. just fyi i guess.
  • notman
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    One thing you may want to check is capacitors on the motherboard. If any of them aren't flat on top, or they look like they have something oozing out of them, then they are bad.
    There was an issue around the time your motherboard was probably made, where some ass stole a formula from the cap company he was working for, and took it to another company. He then sold the formula to many other companies. The formula that he stole, was wrong though. It builds up hydrogen gas and eventually blows. It can happen instantly, or years down the road. I've had two motherboards with this issue this year. I've replaced the caps and one works great now. The other one had too much damage when the caps went bad (blew some FETs).
    You can find info about it online pretty easily. It's not to say that it's your problem, but it could be. Sounds like your motherboard is failing, the question is why.
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