thomasp: I think it's based on a book so it's not necessarily a LotR ripoff, just another Disney public domain exploitation. Yes, public domain is nice, right? So stop extending those freaking copyright terms whenever Steamboat Willie is close to becoming public domain and make sure the PD starts growing again.
Well the author of the Narnia books C.S. Lewis was a close friend of JRR Tolkien. In fact Lewis was the one encouraging Tolkien to complete his books when he was on the verge on ditching the idea of getting it published. And Lewis was giving Tolkien ideas and input. Whilst C.S. Lewis also got inspiration from Tolkiens ideas I'm sure, it might also explain to some extent why it looks like a LotR rip-off to you thomasp. But I think this is pretty unique, and it cannot be directly compared to Tolkien's stuff and it doesn't look like the Lotr movies at all to me.
C.S. Lewis = one of the greatest Christian authors of the mid-20th century. I read these when I was in high school. They were great children's stories. What I wonder is whether the core message of the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe will be allowed to remain intact. Because, you see, each of the books was an allegory of a particular Christian message or theme. This movie is about redemption by a being who dies in our stead to save us from the wrongs we ourselves have committed.
Of course, much of science fiction is built around relgious themes anyway (thank you Dr. Dennis Garn and my Popular Literature class way back in 1977).
Yeah, Paul: Some even say that Tolkien's works also have allegories to the Christian message. The fact that Tolkien being a Christian as well might have influenced his writing one way or the other...
sure, i know that it's based on a book. still it (the trailer!) looks like a lotr ripoff but with talking animals and goofy looking kids. the first seconds actually remind of harry potter as well. double rip off?
It also looks like they ripped off the sort of stuff you see on nature channel, the lion was quite like the lions there although it was talking. And also the snow looked like a rippoff of various Christmas movies. The whole film is a rippoff of movies we have seen before. I bet it even starts and ends with some sort of credits like we have seen in all other movies! Why couldn't they have just made it one still image with nothing in it - lasting for 2 hours perhaps in gold or a color of your choice and then we could use our imagination for those 2 hours eating our ripped off popcorn and having a laugh. Now that would be something.
Sorry, not having a bash at you thomasp only taking a walk in the park of sillyness.
Every time I see a new Narnia trailer, it looks better and better.
Paul: I own all of the Narnia books, and have read them many times, and I'd say that if the movie follows the plot and situations in that book, then it'll easily be possible to read some Christian religious significance into it. However, I would be disappointed if they were too obvious (or even heavy-handed) with the religious parallels, since a fair portion of the people going to see the movie may not even be theists, let alone Christians. If people with spiritual beliefs can find meaning to suit them in the movie, that's all well and good, but I really don't want it forced upon us. IMHO, religion is for churches, not for movie theatres.
I can't quite believe there are people talking in this thread about the world of Narnia as If it were 'perhaps based on a book or something' Jeez, did you grow up in caves?
as a child, my dad read the whole series to me as bedtime stories. I was really hoping that LOTR would make fantasy movies popular again and it looks like its happening! huzzah!
why i think the cg and effects look good (main reason i want to see this) i think the overall feel of the movie is still cramped.. it dosent feel huge or massive like the LOTR movies did... the battle scenes, even though there are thousands of characters on screen it feels small..i just dont get the epic feel i think this movie should have.. everything is just too tight and cramped... even the harry potter movies can pull off that huge feel..it almost looks like something made for TV if not for the effects.. like they filmed it all with the cameras and director from Xena warrior princess.. thats how it looks.. just with millions of dollars worth of CG.. there still is probably tons of post production, so i will hold my tounge untill it comes out.
@thomasp ..if you know its based on a book, how do you expect them to make a movie thats based on a book about talking animals and kids, without the talking animals and kids??? should they be replaced with boobs and explosions??
The Christian allegory in the Narnia series is brilliant, IMO. I completely missed most of it when I read the books as a kid (except for the Alsan-as-Christ theme in the first story), but having re-read them to my own kids, and knowing what I know now about Christian theology, the symbolism is unmistakable. And yet, it's so subtle that it's like it exists in a latent form. Unless you're ready to have it called to your attention, you won't get it. I think that's the best way, and the opposite of heavy-handedness.
It's worth noting, however, that Lewis pulls a lot of Classical Greek lore into the mix -- half of the Narnian population is composed of Pagan nature spirits ( that's often a very offensive thing to fundamentalist people ). Aslan leads nothing short of a Bacchanalian parade at the end of 'Prince Caspian', complete with Pan, nymphs and satyrs. That stuff is right up on the surface, and it's definitely included in Lewis' portrayal of Aslan. Go figgah.
That looks sweet! I can't wait to see it. The narnia series was one of my favorite as a kid. I wonder if disney is going to do the rest of the series. They probably will depending on how well this one does, so go see it everyone! Just go to a late showing to avoid the children.
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Direct .mov download. Good stuff
/me rips off b1ll
Of course, much of science fiction is built around relgious themes anyway (thank you Dr. Dennis Garn and my Popular Literature class way back in 1977).
calm down bill, get yourself a hobby.
Sorry, not having a bash at you thomasp only taking a walk in the park of sillyness.
Paul: I own all of the Narnia books, and have read them many times, and I'd say that if the movie follows the plot and situations in that book, then it'll easily be possible to read some Christian religious significance into it. However, I would be disappointed if they were too obvious (or even heavy-handed) with the religious parallels, since a fair portion of the people going to see the movie may not even be theists, let alone Christians. If people with spiritual beliefs can find meaning to suit them in the movie, that's all well and good, but I really don't want it forced upon us. IMHO, religion is for churches, not for movie theatres.
However, he was an Anglican...
@thomasp ..if you know its based on a book, how do you expect them to make a movie thats based on a book about talking animals and kids, without the talking animals and kids??? should they be replaced with boobs and explosions??
loved them both though.
The Christian allegory in the Narnia series is brilliant, IMO. I completely missed most of it when I read the books as a kid (except for the Alsan-as-Christ theme in the first story), but having re-read them to my own kids, and knowing what I know now about Christian theology, the symbolism is unmistakable. And yet, it's so subtle that it's like it exists in a latent form. Unless you're ready to have it called to your attention, you won't get it. I think that's the best way, and the opposite of heavy-handedness.
It's worth noting, however, that Lewis pulls a lot of Classical Greek lore into the mix -- half of the Narnian population is composed of Pagan nature spirits ( that's often a very offensive thing to fundamentalist people ). Aslan leads nothing short of a Bacchanalian parade at the end of 'Prince Caspian', complete with Pan, nymphs and satyrs. That stuff is right up on the surface, and it's definitely included in Lewis' portrayal of Aslan. Go figgah.
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With Harry Potter, King Kong and this, it may actually salvage what may have beeon one of the worst movie years in recent memory.
Scott