Poor attempt at a celebrity likeness.
polycounter lvl 19
and my refs
Gene Hackman refs collected from web
I've still got quite a way to go yet before exporting, constructing my low-poly cage & normal mapping/diffuse painting.
Thanks for looking, try not to laugh too hard.
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[never mind, I am stupid]
(Adenauer; first chancellor of the BRD)
At least the first shot... don't know why exactly, after a second look, it is kind of similar to Mr. Hackman.
keep working at it Scoob. Daz does spot on likenesses as we know, so you can't be too far off from getting a pretty good likeness if you pay attention to his crits
I dunno much about this stuff though :P
-R
similarity, huh?
lolzers, no just kidding, looking good,
deffinately got that scoobness to it,
thats style, right there!
I'll update sometime soon.
Please, keep the crits coming!
i think the head is placed too far back on the neck.. bring it forward a tad.. and the cheeks seem a little too caved in.. give him a little more meat .. looking good tho.. give yourslef more credit..
:P
Kidding! He helped me with some loops and such during his visit.
And, Im not really fishing for compliments. As nice as it is to hear it, I prefer hard honest crits. Im just never happy with my own work is all!
Gene Hackman is an asshole.
I think it is just the expression you model has.
Minor update!
More crits please? This is really hard! but fun!
Ug. I did a paintover at work to see how he'd look when "done" and Im even more dissatisfied than before.
NOBODY at work had any idea who it was supposed to be. Very discouraging.
As Arsh touched on earlier, there's still something a little awkward about how the head sits on the body. It looks like perhaps the back of his neck and the highest point of his shoulder there are sort of flat at the back somehow? It feels like If I took a cross section through the neck of your model it would be almost triangular?
As for the likeness, I think Hackman has more fat on his upper lids perhaps? And is his nose quite that big? Perhaps the indentation under the cheekbone is a little deep? And I think you're overdoing the bags under the eyes. Sometimes to get to the last 5 per cent of a likeness stills aren't enough. You have to see the head in 3D. And the only way to do that is grab some frames from a recent movie he's in. Don't be discouraged! It's always the last tiny percentage that's elusive.
http://img.web.de/c/00/56/71/4E.420
Keep going man.
but keep up the good work, man, and it is good work. don't get discouraged.
Here is the latest, after taking Daz' advice I watching a few Hackman movies on the PC here...tabbing back & forth between DVD & Zbrush.
Crit away please!
i think he's neck is pretty thick,
but ye man much better now and really it looks good.
the mistake of the neck may be because it seems to cut in from the chin at the level of the beard, and not on the actual level of the chin itself. when you look at it from profile, look at his jaw bone and the close-ness of the neck fat.. it slopes down real fast.. and i think it should "stretch" out from the base of neck more
ye well, anyways, good job mate
great job, i say. it doesn't look too much like hack-man but i like it.
funny how with all the billions of faces taht don't look alike, when people model a face without reference it turns into something that looks too generic to be human.
Gauss had a really good point about fixating on one Gene Hackman from one movie, as opposed to getting confused by lots of different looks.
Some more thoughts after looking at it again Scoob:
I still think the head is sitting too far back on the body. That and the furrowed brow is giving him the appearance of him pushing his head back into his neck like hes in some kind of expression of confusion or shock or something.
Stuff to think about/try perhaps:
1) The top of Hackmans head is higher I think. Your model looks almost chimp-esque because of the small skull.
2) I don't think Hackmans ears are quite that sticky outy.
http://img.web.de/c/00/56/71/4E.420
3) The infraorbital brow/cheek indentation is still a little strong in your model I think. Not so much the infraorbital line but under the cheekbone itself is too deep perhaps:
http://www.nndb.com/people/878/000022812/hackman3.jpg
4) Something thats very distinctive in Hackman is his hairline which starts unusually far back even for a balding man, particularly at the sides. http://www.del-rio.net/images/festival/medium/2000_0511_Gene_Hackman_1246-6-5.jpg So there's some stuff in texturing/detailing to come that would help nail the likness I think. You're maybe expecting too much to nail it in geometry alone is my point.
5) Try picking out a pic of him and putting your model in the exact same angle/pose and light it in a similar way. It really helps to see what's out.
6) Remember, this stuff is really hard. Especially without really good ref. You're so goddam close. Like I said before, that last 5% is the hardest by far.
I agree with Daz, it looks like he has got his shoulders pressed up and neck tightened. He looks stressed. It is really close to look like Gene Hackman, but in the last images he also has a hint of Dennis Hopper just a hint. I guess it is because the 5% as Daz puts it needs to get there... But still, amazing work, it is the stuff that will make you be far more attractive in the market.
I think a few things throwing the likeness off is the lack of eyeballs, hair & a texture. (I agree Daz, geometry will only go so far in making this look like Hackman)
I hadn't really considered his head as being "small". Now that I look at it though and your "chimp" comment, I totally see it. The wide ears really contribute to this as well. The strange perspective of the Zbrush interface also throws me a bit. When I export from ZB>Max, the model looks totally different.
It has really been helping me to take a day or two away from it, and come back. That really helps restore any lost objectivity.
I'm going to review all your comments, and try to work something out tonight or tomorrow.
Its tough only being able to practice 3D art in my limited off time. I need to just stop procrastinating and get a freakin' 3D job already! Fear of rejection be damned! hehe