Police brutality!
polycounter lvl 18
I was born in Utah (don't live there now) so I have to bitch about the coppers there:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Dance_party_broken_up_by_police_in_Utah%2C_USA
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Dance_party_broken_up_by_police_in_Utah%2C_USA
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"Stop drinking, dancing, and having fun, or we will shoot you!"
Bit overkill, but I didn't see any brutality. And it is perfectly legal to video police at any time. It also seems that the justification for the party break up might infringe on the right to lawful assembly. Unless they had strong evidence that the assembly was specifically "criminal", which would mean the issue of permits, the cops really don't have the right to break up the hoe down.
As far as them shutting it down, yeah they have the right. If they didn't have the permits to do run an event like that on private property.
As far as the "beatings" go... i dont see anything in the video where they are hitting them. only taking them down.
As far as the "shut it down now or i'll kick your ass in jail" sounds like someones trying to twist his words. I hear "Shut it down now or i'll take your ass to jail."
I really dislike this jump to accuse police of brutality. Honestly... this is the united states. Its not some dictatorship. We have nothing to complain about.
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The police have publicly stated that only a permit from the health department was obtained, and that a Utah mass gathering permit was needed. The promoters have stated that they had the required permit, and have given a permit number (# 2005-11). Jay Stone, who handles mass gathering permits for the Utah County Health Department’s Bureau of Environmental Health Services, has confirmed that the permit was applied for and granted for the party.
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As far as the beatings go, I saw one 'officer' (fellow wearing camo and a helmet) walk over and kick someone in the video. It's evident if you watch it carefully.
I don't think this is brutality, but I disagree with them shutting down the entire thing. They should have just sent people in to arrest anyone doing anything illegal instead of killing the entire thing.
Honestly... this is the united states. Its not some dictatorship. We have nothing to complain about.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
I have a load of shit to complain about.
Weiser: Silly man! ;D
Dukester: I'm not old by any means but I guess i just fit in better with older more mature people. Extreamly loud music at ungodly hours of the night really pisses me off too.
Dukester: I'm not old by any means but I guess i just fit in better with older more mature people. Extreamly loud music at ungodly hours of the night really pisses me off too.
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Neo
I was not casting any aspersions on joor character.
Everyone here who see's me post in a thread like this automatically knows I am gonna be for kicking in the heads of the flower childen! It's a given i thought!
What i meant was exactly this...
I am old so I say SHUT OFF THAT GODDAMN MUSIC AND GO TO BED! WE ARE TRYING TO SLEEP OVER HERE!
I got no patience for loud parties whthin my earshot.
ow if they are out of my earshot, I don't have any opinion
http://www.modernfix.com/images/videos/Utah_rave_troops_invade.mov
http://idisk.mac.com/apexgrin/Public/choppernight.mov
The first video seems to show America the police state, employing over the top heavy handed tactics in the form of SWAT guys, dogs and helicopters used to stop the kids from having a good time.
The second video seems to shows law enforcement officers viewing a situation from the air, with people displayed in the night vision as drug crazed teenagers hellbent on doing themselves or others harm. So weird to see them wildly flailing themselves around dancing in 'night vision'. Usually when you see people displayed like that they're running away from their imminent demise at the hands of high tech weaponry. But anyway, the cops here were probably briefed on the operation and executed it as a drug raid and so took it as seriously as such.
Just seeing the two perspectives there is just plain interesting. A rare sneek at both sides of a story.
Notice I avoided giving an actual opinion
Ever since Hip Hop was accepted as music even the sound of a pneumatic drill qualifies as music.
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even worse, a "ringdingdingdingdingidndindingidng" was a #1 hit.
the 00's suck arse
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Ever since Hip Hop was accepted as music even the sound of a pneumatic drill qualifies as music.
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even worse, a "ringdingdingdingdingidndindingidng" was a #1 hit.
the 00's suck arse
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Is the "ringdingding..." thing a joke, or is that the title of an actual song? There has been some great music released thus far in the 00's, you just have to look past the MTVs and commercial radio.
Daz is an expert sidestepper!
but I did used to frequent Glastonbury in my youth
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heh can you image the police trying to do the same at Glastonbury? HAHA they'd be trying to find people in the mud constantly.
Usually police are instructed to follow a live-and-let-live policy. Unless there's a problem an officer will rarely bust you for something such as possession of marijuana, shrooms, X, coke, etc. I've known 2 officers personally who USE these rec drugs. Does that make them bad cops? Hell no. I'd probably use it too if I had to deal with the shit they do on a daily basis. These cops went way out of their way to stage a big show based on just the suspicion of drugs and bust up a perfectly good party. Not cool.
Do you want a sissy cop ? I sure dont. People can sing about democracy and freedom and that they can do whatever they damn please, but the thin line gets blurred when it comes to military and law enforcement, they are the law.
To be honest i'd rather have a policeman do his job rather than a policeman that contemplates whether or not he somehow made someone uncomfortable or handled something undemocratically.
Do you want a sissy cop ? I sure dont.
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This isn't about the individual officers and whether or not they are "too macho" or "too sissy." The issue is whether or not the decision should have been made in the first place to send in the SWAT in full body armor with militaristic techniques, weapons and attack dogs to break up a party with a bunch of kids.
some of the violence was unneccesary but it's really hard to distinguish who is hostile and who is not within a crowd