cynics
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How come that anyone who has worked in the industry for more thne 5 years turns in to a cynical bastard.
I can undertand why, but imho its up to them to find new ways to amuse themsleves , not to pour out their bile on to us newcomers.
I am slowly learning not to trust any fucker I meet in the industry, polyconters excluded of course
I can undertand why, but imho its up to them to find new ways to amuse themsleves , not to pour out their bile on to us newcomers.
I am slowly learning not to trust any fucker I meet in the industry, polyconters excluded of course
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r.
Anyhow, avoid the cynics like Ror here and you'll do just fi -- ah crap, I can't keep a straight face while typing this
Ironic as I am 38 on monday and am older then most them , but have only been in the industry for about a year and a half.
Hooker with a Penis - I am trying to run, but am standing still
It's a form of self protection in some cases and does not mean people have given up on their job or their art or their profession, its often just a sign of maturity in terms of how one approachs certain aspects of the job.
Some people take things too far, sounds like you have met a few.
Some people are so idealistic and optimistic that they will screw their deadlines everytime or push themselves to crunch willingly so they can meet those deadlines and thats just as unprofessional in the long run too.
My point is, theres a lot can happen in a person's career and you might do well not to underestimate that.
For my part, i've gone through my most cynical stage already and I'm back on the climb back up toward more positivity for reasons that I don't care to explain.
There are a lot of things that justify a cynical attitude though, sometimes its more a defense mechanism than a bad attitude as you seem to be assuming!
r.
i just think its a shame when a person gets to the point where he forgets why he got in to the job in the first place.
There are of course lots of positives too, met some interesting personalties so far since i changed teams within my company and its a fairly laid back here.
Sledgy is right about the cutthroat stuff too. I am developing a bit of a nasty streak , just to avoid getting undermined by certain people.
I love creating art, I hate the completely disorganised and slap-dash nature to business that seems so prevalent in this fine industry of ours.
These folks seek out new recruits to trash talk as a group. They are like an infection and honestly...imo, they all need to be warned and then fired if they are caught again. If you don't like a place it's your duty to try and mend it or leave. Poisioning your workplace with negativity is horrible, selfish and counter-productive behavior. I can't say i haven't been guilty of this...I have, but not whilst working at that place (it was after the fact, still inexcusable.)
I'm lucky enough to have found this place to work that encourages me to deal with my weaknesses and helps me forget all the trashy times in my career.
-R
I quote:
" ... It's what what we do after knowing these things that makes us either a cynical, miserable husk of a person, or a strong, self inspired creator who is resilient under pressure, and can continue to produce new, fresh ideas as well as inspire others."
And Ruz, it sounds like you're assuming people are cynical and have bad attitudes because they aren't as optimistic and idealist about how things work as you. There's a word for that: it's naive. When you learn how things work, the wonder goes away.
Frank the Avenger
1. you get in, all cheery and excited, like FUCK YEAH I'm in the industry.
2. First project passes, its usually a pieces of shit and you're all like, man this crunch thing SUCKS BALLS and the game i worked on SUCKED, shit let me go find something else.
3. A couple of more projects pass and u kind of fall into the whole trap of thinking that the whole industry is the same, thats when you become a cynical jaded bastard. Sounds like FUN TIMES TO ME, CAN'T WAIT!!!
4. And lastly when you're in your late 30s and have been around for awhile you start to settle down, grow some grey hairs and suddenly the world really isn't so bad anymore.
granted this is all just speculation on my part I'm like somewhere between 2 and 3, but I heve met people who've been through it all. Don't see myself becoming cynical any time soon so, I guess thats good. I'm usually a fairly happy employee whatever gets thrown my way, and I'm also slightly masochistic when it comes to work
The key is to find positive people and don't even 'talk' to people who: trash talk, bitch about people behind their back, ect ect.
These folks seek out new recruits to trash talk as a group. They are like an infection and honestly...imo, they all need to be warned and then fired if they are caught again. If you don't like a place it's your duty to try and mend it or leave. Poisioning your workplace with negativity is horrible, selfish and counter-productive behavior. I can't say i haven't been guilty of this...I have, but not whilst working at that place (it was after the fact, still inexcusable.)
I'm lucky enough to have found this place to work that encourages me to deal with my weaknesses and helps me forget all the trashy times in my career.
-R
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I like that attitude and I try to exercise it when possible (when I remember!): Don't bring a bitch to the table unless you bring a solution.
There's a word for that: it's naive. When you learn how things work, the wonder goes away.
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I would disagree. Wonderment is a continual process of awareness. Meaning its not a static item. We have to be willing to step back once in awhile to see the idealism as it were. I find such a response more telling of an individual than any global human rule.
Really in short its all a POV. So I think its more than unjustified to simply state that everyone will end up being a cynical bastard (even in this industry). You get out what you put in.