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couple garg model sheets needwanted

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This is for anyone who doesn't mind drawing the most annoying repetitive creature around for me to model. I AM variating in models btw (see the wip thread) and I want a couple weakish gargs to take on.

I want to model these guys but my sources fail it. I also fail it at drawing them, like 4 times. I simply fail it [/emo]

-http://www.planetgargoyle.com/ND07.gif (possibly have notredame styled wings and new legs? he'll be for Open Arena. more pics here and unfortunately i could only find side only.)

-http://www.planetgargoyle.com/wbgargeh3.jpg (yeh male nudity, i'm also modeling him hi-poly but it's wonky so i'll need a proper ref for him. He'll probably be for Stone Fang to replace the crappy modified model of the other garg.)

Front, side and back, please. Thanks!
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