Firebrand (Cuffless SDK available)

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SDK (without cuffs)
http://www.planetgargoyle.com/newfirebrand.zip

I'll make a cuffed one soon because he'll look skinny without them.

Remember this mesh I did not too long ago?

I was praised lots for making this guy

Looking back on the model, and with the sprite, I realize how off and crappy the model was, errors all over, arms suck, etc, so I've started to remake him from scratch today


He'll be for UT2004 and custom animated.

aesir

The pecs look too small, the rib cage too high up, the biceps too large, the stomach too elongated, and the hips too narrow. I also dont really think you need to always model the abs in... but whatever. And the upper arms just look wonky. its like he has 2 biceps per arm.

cold_electric

Was this made in blender??

I notice the interface.

How do you get to export models created from blender into UT2k4??

I don't believe there is a plugin to export into UT2k4 but probably the use of seperate 3D programs to do the job.

KDR_11k

I use Milkshape to get the models from Blender into UT. It's ugly but there's no alternative.

Cheap: Why are you redoing that character this often? I realize I'm not the pinnacle of variety either with all those anime chick models but at least I don't try a character more than once or twice. Should try some variety, if you need to make more Gargoyles how about giving them armor and stuff so you don't always model nude ones (and the concepts look more interesting)?

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KDR: I'm redoing him because Firebrand is just an ownage video game character, and i'm also redoing him because my past attempts sucked and were embarrassing. :P

aesir - that's because his arms are like that, it beats having no shoulders at all (like my older model). Refer to:


The shot was in perspective view so it may be a little odd, also he's 1,700 triangles so far (much less than my old previous 4000 tri models). Hopefully the face and the wings will make a impact on that, aiming for 2800 triangles total.

mr.toast

so this time there isnt going to be any huge throbbing gargoyle c*@k?

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Sadly, no. I respect CAPCOM's (in)famed characters properly :P

'sides, a testicrotch should be good enough to make everyone happy

DarthRevanII

you sure are making some significant progress, your anatomy and models are getting better and better Cheap, good job

However, its really awkward and annoying that you took the time to place a lot of pollies in the chest...and yet the legs dont. It just looks odd. I suggest optimizing the chest area, but aside from that, much more accurate and intimidating. However, i also feel you are emphasizing the muscles too much, though you might be wanting to do that, so if so, then ignore me

IceWolve

You should start by modeling a muscular human, and and when it comes time to feet hands and head, do them like the firebrand, after all that pic looks exactly like a muscular human, not a mr universe muscular but some one that works out a lot, only thing that is different is wings, head, hands a bit, and the feet...

ElysiumGX

oh look, a gargoyle
nice one

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O_o

Anyway, fixed some porportion errors, and started on the head (i'll probably scrap the head and start over it quick anyway, looks dorky from the side). Arms look very thin from the side still, and I plan on buffing that out.

IceWolve

Doesnt look much like the ref, it looks to much like a mr universe muscle man on the torsor and the leg muscles dont look right.

Thermidor

in the pic you showed , his arms and legs are much longer ... with his leg straightened it would almost be double the length of the torso .
look at some anatomy reference to make some nice bulging muscles on his back,to match the sodtof defenition you have on the front ,
overall , i think its a massive improvement , just make sure his wings are big enough

Irritant

Looking good. I think the legs and arms when competed will be fine, length wise. The problem seems to be the width of the torso below the ribcage. Fix that, and I think you're well on the way.

RageUnleashed

The gargoyle fetish continues eh? ;D

I would really recommend you take a step back from doing gargoyles with crazy proportions and learn human anatomy. Once you have human anatomy down, you can come back and your gargoyles will be sure to have much more solid looking musculature.

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I haven't touched this in awhile due to my bad harddrive acting up. Anyways, minor fixes and changes to the anatomy and porportion

http://www.planetgargoyle.com/studio/datas/users/1-nf10.jpg

Better?

Wells

he's looking better. his biceps still look fugged up, though. fix!

Asherr

all your muscles look extruded from the the surface of the skin. it all sticks out not a single muscle flows into the next. they are all
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the gif you posted has the muscles serperated in to serveral major well defined forms, you should define the forms better. take a look at EarthQuake's last couple of heads look at how the forms and lines of the face flow into one another.

Thermidor

I think its looking great , and you are really improving ...

i think John Warner posted a thread a little while ago about muscle defenition on the torso .. take a look at it if you havnt already.

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Asherr - i'll try that, because at the moment it's defined more for subsurf modeling :P

By the way guys - i'm making two versions of this model, one being real low poly for q3a and other older games. This one you see currently is for ut2k4 and it's still around 1,800 tris or so.

Therm - he's cartoon, and a monster, I don't have to go for all out definition or to be extremely anatomically correct, I could just skin the needed detail on or so. Ignorance is bliss I guess, and excuses are wonderful!

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Hay guys watch my arm fix up in this chronological sequence.

http://www.planetgargoyle.com/nf11.JPG
http://www.planetgargoyle.com/nf12.JPG
http://www.planetgargoyle.com/nf13.JPG

I also changed the crotch to "sink back" instead of popping out. Dunno what "kind" of crotch anyone would prefer for a naked humanoid-ish creature, but anyways
http://www.planetgargoyle.com/nf15.JPG

LtEthe

My acting coach always did say that one play could teach you everything you needed to know about acting if you stuck with it long enough.

That being said, the gargoyle thing dosen't do anything for me, but I'm glad it inspires your passions to continue your work, I do see definitive improvement everytime you post.

Vailias

Lookin nice cheapy.

I miss character modeling..

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Model is at 1356 tris. More minor anatomy fixes and shites. WILL DO HANDS SOON
http://www.planetgargoyle.com/nf16.jpg - full
http://www.planetgargoyle.com/nf17.jpg - torso view
http://www.planetgargoyle.com/nf18.jpg - Infamous crotch view!

Moz

I loaded this thread expecting a raging hardon, I am very disappointed.

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2bad.

If you want a gargoyle with a upcurved, uncut, blue-belled hardon, see Igneon.

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Head and hands!

KevinCoyle

Looking much better then before. Nice work. If your gonna smooth him, perhaps some more definition on the legs would help. The neck area also looks a little strange to me.

Jerome

when you smooth him, he is still blocky

IceWolve

I think modeling thumbs striaght out from the side of the hand seems to be a big no no... It creates more stretching and doesnt look natural in my opinion. You should create it at a angle from the edge, just cut around and then extrude. That way its in a more natural position by default. You might want to curve the fingers slightly too.

Btw, have you ever tried to model something other than a garg? All i have ever seen from you are gargs... You could at least do one different character, make it like a garg hunter/slayer or some sort and then go back to gargs for a long while :P

EarthQuake

Smooth out the knees, arms are looking much better.

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I'll try.

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I need to stop these tweaks and get on with the feet already

some wacom thing i did related to the model but not really relevant to progress other than the muscle build i am trying to achieve

Thermidor

Make sure you get those legs long enough.

im looking forward to seeing this finnished ...

lkraan

Great progress Cheap!

Irritant

Looks like you got the torso shaped right now. Overall it's a big improvement over the last Firebrand model you made, especially in regards to muscle definition and proportions.

I would really like to see you spend as much time on the texture as the mesh, and I'll think you'll have a really nice model here.

Jerome

i think you might want to bulk up your torso a bit, its rather slender. Your hands are funny too, and the head looks slender too. Its looks pretty cool, keep it goin

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FEET AND WINGS !!!!




Grand total of 2,886 triangles.

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Sorry for the double post (Well i'm hitting the sack)

Reduced his polyage to 2842 tri and uvwmapped him as well as giving him a shitty (for now) seamy skin, will obviously be improved.



http://www.planetgargoyle.com/newfirebrand.zip incase anyone wants to take a shot at skinning him :P

usagi

there still seems to be some wonky topology going on, specifically in the arms. some of it may be just that you need to turn some edges. his lower likes dont look right, his shin should curve in the oposite direction, in not out

that skin is already looking much better than your last one though. you definitely are improving, good job

Thermidor

Looking good , but measure out the proportions from your refeence shot ... the wing need to be much bigger , almost double th size they are now. and the feet too, then need to grow!! i would also try to straighten the shins, at the moment you models shins are carving backwards .. they should be straight. maybe the legs in general need to be slightly larger , longer and wider... its looking great tho , dont get me wrong

Jerome

was this made in blender? and i think you could work on his hands and feet, theres not a lot of definition that the rest of the obdy has.

EarthQuake

This model still neads work IMO, and the skin looks EXACTLY like the one for the older model of FB. I know its wip but it looks like you're doing it the exact same way like you havent learned from your previous mistakes.