Kids today....
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This about made my evening.
Pure comedy gold!
I love it when kids try to argue about shit they weren't even alive for to people who lived it.
Pure comedy gold!
I love it when kids try to argue about shit they weren't even alive for to people who lived it.
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Music is one of the most subjective things in the world... the worst I will do is say "I recommend this band"... people like different stuff, more power to them. I have Keane parked next to Megadeth and Charlie Hunter (jazz) in my playlist... so sue me.
Also, what KeyserSoze says is totally right. Just because the kid wasn't alive when the band was at it's biggest, doesn't mean they have no right to criticise the music. Music snobbery is one of the most annoying things in the world.
" I thought metalheads were supposed to BEAT UP depressed wimps, not BE depressed wimps! "
SLAYER RULES!!!
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Fuck yeah!!!
Their more recent albums are a bit lame. But their earlier ones are killer.
I own Reign in Blood, have for years, and I can always pop it in the CD player and listen to it all the way through. It's only 30 minutes long. It's a good album that ages well. There isn't much to get. It's fast, it's dark, and heavy. It's THE thrash album. While it may not be musically challenging, it holds a lot more musical arrangements than most of today's "metal" bands. I've seen Slayer in concert twice, and own a T-shirt with holes all over it. Yeah, they rock...but there's no way I'd waste my time attempting to define the essence of true metal to a 14 year old. That's like telling a child Barney the purple Dinosaur isn't real.
So basically, this kid has no fucking clue what he's talking about. And he is the personification of many kids his age who lack proper role models, proper parenting, and proper internet monitoring. Damn, 14 years old. Metal has changed over the decades. There are so many sub-genres now. Most of the best metal bands come from Sweden today. Nu-metal, or depression-metal as I call it, is enjoying it's fame. So I've switch my attention to classic rock til this trend passes. My coke head brother will tell you Slipknot is the best metal band of all time. I'm glad he's living in a gutter now. Kids today.
So basically, this kid has no fucking clue what he's talking about.
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When it comes to one's opinion, how is it possible to "have no fucking clue"? I've never liked Slayer, but I don't mind listening to Metallica from time to time. I also dislike raisins, but LOVE Jell-o; does this mean I hate raisins because I "have no fucking clue"? No, it simply means that the taste of jell-o appeals to me, while the taste of raisins does not. That's all there is to it.
And don't give me any of this bullshit about commercialism, corporate rock, or MTV mentality. Slayer signed a contract to get a record deal, just like every other band. If you choose your music based on how "hardcore" or "legitimate" you think a band is, rather than picking music based on how it aurally appeals to you, then you're just as immature as all of those 14-year-olds.
KeyserSoze makes a good point.
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No he doesn't. If the kid was simply expressing his opinion, and being bashed by the "hardcore metalheads", then his statement would have a point. The fact is, this inexperienced young man is forcing his opinion as fact towards others, which is evident in his attitude. And it's that attitude which is the proof of his immaturity, and the cause of THIS discussion. The kid is sharing statements that he interprets as fact, and often times those arguements are false due to lack of experience in how society views the music industry. Sure, it IS his opinion, and he has a right to it. But he obviously has difficulty dealing with opinions that deviate from his own. And in that respect, he is immature, and misinformed. His view of the worlds began, like everyone else, after his birth. I'm assuming this to be 1991. His introduction to the world of rock was probably around the time I was introduced to game art design...not too long ago. And I'm not going to jump into a discussion as say, "OMG XSI IS TEH ROXXORZ,ANYTHING ELSE IS CRAP!" to a bunch of industry professionals. Ok, that's my analogy for this week. This is a young man looking for attention, whether it's good or bad. Simply put: Kids today...
Interesting how a retarded conversation can lead to a crash course in psychology. I know I'm going over the top, but I think we've all been there. It's too bad these young minds can have their irresponsible acts recorded in writing online, but it's a lesson learned.
KeyserSoze makes a good point. I can never find such eloquent arguments!
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Well, I've had this argument before. I understand that Soul Reaper and ElysiumGX have more respect for Slayer than they do for Metallica, and they probably have many objective reasons as to why, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to like Slayer's sound. Led Zeppelin is a widely acclaimed band, but not everyone likes them, and a lecture on the history of the band and their huge influence probably isn't going to change anyone's opinion.
If you don't like something, you don't like it; it doesn't mean that you don't know what you're talking about. Of course, sometimes music is an acquired taste and you'll end up really liking something you used to dislike.
I think the bottom line is that arguing over musical taste is useless. Different people like different stuff, deal with it.
I'm talking about the kid. Forget it. It's late. I have a lot of tension when it comes to teenagers and the current state of the music industry.
@MoP: I prefer the intellectual debates.
I listen to Led Zepplin everyday on the way to school.
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That's great, but you obviously missed the point. Different music appeals to different people, and no one's opinion is any more valid than anyone else's. I went back and reread the letter (not the responses, though), and I didn't see anything wrong with it. The letter was actually pretty articulate for a 14-year-old, and he even attempted to give justification for his opinions. It's not as if he just said, "OMG SL4YER SUX!!~! KOrN R0x0rz!!!~!~~~"
[edit] okay, I thought only the first letter was from the kid. I haven't read the other emails yet, but I still think arguing with the kid is stupid.
ElysiumGX what do you mean by "how society views the music industry"?
So if lots of people say that some particular band is the best then everyone else should just buy this idea and bury their own opinion?
Besides, lyrics? Why do we have to care about lyrics when they're so inane anyway? "Beat up depressed people"... I mean, shit, if you want to have a message then you're free to but too many songs have "messages" of zero value. Beating people up, suicide or "digging that chigga" aren't messages, they're filler so the lead singer has SOME words to say. Shit, not too long ago lyrics were the exception and the entire message was coded into the piece. You didn't say "snake", you made a theme that made people think of a snake.
But that reasoning "Without XY, the genre Z wouldn't be where it is today!" for declaring XY to be of genre Z is just plain BS. Without the likes of Scott Joplin RNB wouldn't be what it is today but does that make Scott Joplin RNB? Are the Rolling Stones Nu Metal? Many great artists had serious influence on subsequent art styles but that doesn't necessarily make them part of these styles.
While on the subject of art styles, why aren't we seeing any impressionism on Polycount? 2d art has its art styles but so far 3d seems to be mostly lacking them.
Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opions, but sometimes opinions can be wrong. If the discussion here was that the kid preferred Korns self titled album, or Toxicity by System Of A Down to Slayers Reign In Blood then we wouldn't be having a discussion. That would be the kids opinion, and that's fine.
However, the point here is that the kids opinion is that Korn by Korn, and Toxicity by System Of A Down are both more important to heavy metal than Reign In Blood by Slayer.
Now if you aren't a metal head, you might not understand what Reign In Blood represented, what it did for metal, when it did it and why it was a landmark record. So I'll try to equate what the kid is saying into something we can understand.
Enema Of The State by Blink 182 is a more important record to punk than "Never Mind The Bollocks" by the Sex Pistols.
Or that Def Jam Vendetta is more important to beat-em-ups than Street Fighter 2.
And we all know that both of the above are retarded statements.
So again, the kid is perfectly within his right to prefer one over the other, but to believe that the stuff he prefers his more important than a classic, landmark, genre defining record is just ignorance, and to push that belief as fact onto the internet is just plain stupid.
One last example. I hate Final Fantasy VII. I love Disgaea. But I don't believe that Disgaea is more important than Final Fantasy in the roleplaying genre.
OMFG LOL N))B you hate raisins? When im king everyone who even slightly dislikes raisins will be thrown in the brigg!
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Nonsense! Who would ruin a perfectly good grape by turning it into a dried-out, old booger. I say that grapes are more important to heavy metal, because without grapes, there would be no raisins! Harrumph!
I get what you're saying Soul Reaper. I guess I took this thread a bit too seriously and veered it off course
And just as an aside, I think you could've picked a better band than the Sex Pistols for your punk example. A lot of people consider the Sex Pistols to be the death of punk; sort of the "begining of the end," so to speak. The Ramones, or The Clash, or The Cramps probably would've been a better choice (damn... all of the punk bands I know have "The" in their name). I got the point, but I just thought I'd add that.
This has been a poor attempt to retain relevance by Soul Reaper.
Aerosmith is the best heavy metal band ever!!!
This has been a poor attempt to prove his point by ElysiumGX
stupidty stubitys
I think I had a "point" in there somewhere but I don't know. Bah, oh well.
That is all.
Staind > *
That is all.
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pfft
so far nobody has mentioned a band i like. except zepplin.
am i an OUTCAST for not liking metal? anser: yes most likely
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