free-app fanboys ROCK
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just an observation.
have you ever noticed that the people who use the free applications, like blender, for example, are always the most hardcore, adamant fanboys? don't get me wrong, i've been known to promote the use of xsi, but god dammit, i've modeled in 3dsmax, maya, xsi, blender & wings. i'm not saying my point of view is so much better than anyone elses, but that's off topic anyway.
the really hardcore pushers of an application. the guys who would get out on the street and wave banners if you asked them too, are the people who use some free program somewhere and produce less than proffesional quality work. (not fingering any of you on these boards, there's lots of people who produce excellent stuff yaddy yaddy yadda)
is it just me? am i an asshole? yes..
i knew it.
have you ever noticed that the people who use the free applications, like blender, for example, are always the most hardcore, adamant fanboys? don't get me wrong, i've been known to promote the use of xsi, but god dammit, i've modeled in 3dsmax, maya, xsi, blender & wings. i'm not saying my point of view is so much better than anyone elses, but that's off topic anyway.
the really hardcore pushers of an application. the guys who would get out on the street and wave banners if you asked them too, are the people who use some free program somewhere and produce less than proffesional quality work. (not fingering any of you on these boards, there's lots of people who produce excellent stuff yaddy yaddy yadda)
is it just me? am i an asshole? yes..
i knew it.
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is it just me? am i an asshole? yes..
I still think Fang was killer.....made in MilkShape.
I just don't get the gist of the subject matter. I think it's really the talent that matters.
Personally I try to make sure every single Milkshape user is converted to Blender because, well, you read my explaination of the Milkshape workflow...
But I guess this is simply due to the fact, that there are more 'fanboys' that are younger/teenagers (you grow out of
If there is any connection at all (other than the above), then I would say that those people are compassionate about lots of things (including their fanboy-ism) and apply this to modeling, too... and not like some other "what the hell/doesn't matter - guy" who downloads a warez copy of 3dsmax
my god, don't mistake this for me giving a good god damn what anyone's doing.
the quality of the app or what was produced with it doesn't REALLY have much to do with the topic.
Shit. sory NoSe, i didn't want to upset anyone..
I believe people who use and promote free applications such as Blender, and Wings3D are doing a great service to the community. It's not like they're selling anything. Without their dedication, we would never know of the generous men and women in the world spending their free time contributing to product developement that offers a toolset without price tags that rival $3000 dollar industry standard packages. They provide the stage for many young future artist of the world by elimating the influence of large corporations during the process of artistic self-education. Without Wings3D, I would have been stuck learning on a broken unsupported application such as Gmax and the whole Max interface.
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people who use some free program somewhere and produce less than proffesional quality work.
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That's not always the case. The quality of work does not reflect the application used. I've seen some amazing working from Blender lately, along with many impressive additions to the application itself. And Wings appears to be making a permanent home on the systems of serious modelers with major improvements with each release, and functionality often surpassing those of the more expensive category.
I hope I'm still on topic. Yes, there are free-app fanboys, and Max fanboys, and soon XSI fanboys. Isn't it exciting?
fire? who says i even give a shit? i'm just making a fun innocent post.
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Maybe. I've noticed a pattern with some of your general discussion topics lately.
I'm not trying to pile on here, but I do have some advice for you...
You need to stop worrying about other people and concentrate on yourself. This kind of posting smacks of elitism. You then try to play it off by poking fun at yourself or claiming it was a joke. Well, the idea and thought didn't just come from anywhere, and you should think about that.
I think if you can find it within yourself to be more accepting of the variety of people that exist in the gaming community, you'll find yourself making fewer threads like this, and you won't have to keep calling yourself an asshole to shield yourself from criticism for doing so
Just a thought...sorry if it might have sounded too harsh.
steam is a nice example, OMG the noise made about steam, but still, a great majority managed to have steam running without problems, and play hl2 happily. but they don't make any sound that could be identified as whining.
Most fanbases have all the parts that make a fanbase, whiners, yay'ers, nay'ers, and great-doers..
I use blender as an app among the others, random-fate brought me to blender, could've been any other app :x, no better, no worse..
i can only assume that you're reffering to one other thred, which was aimed at what i feal new modelers should do to improve their skills. rest assured that that thred was for no other reason than to help others. i've been fealing guilty for not contributing to the community as much as i used to in the way of critiques and figgured i'd post my opnions. if this makes me elitist or an asshole, then anyone who's posted a tutorial is also an asshole.
as for this thred, well, it really was just a goofy little post and a poke at people. if i have something that i feal strongly about i wont hide behind sheilds of critisism. if i acctualy gave a shit about people who preach free apps, belive me, there'd be no question of my intent
as far as being concerned about other people and how their doing.. fine, guilty as charged. but don't wory, i'm quickly beccoming indiferent and cruel hehe. but please don't mistake my posts on this forum as a way to stroke my ego.
anyway, sory guys, i guess sometimes i come off wrong. i certainly didn't mean to upset anyone. it's been a bad week for that i think
For them, these other programs are the spawn of the devil - so when other people use other programs that these "saints" don't like, the other guys are like practitioners of evil in the eyes of the "saints".
Of course, every good "saint" wants to destroy evil, and thereby those who use other programs...
So when I use Blender, and a "saint" uses Wings - that "saint" would rather see me burn than see me produce a good model in Blender...
The fact that there are more of these people for free aps, is that not everyone has legal copies 3dsmax, xsi or maya - and so they don't speak up as much - to hide their use of warez...
Sorry, but this was just easier to explain in some weird religious way - no referrance to RL religions is intended! o_O
Well, yes but Milkshape REALLY sucks! I mean, hell, use Wings, use Blender, use anything else you can afford but stay away from Milkshape unless you're into some weird kind of SM.
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I don't even care.....I'm tired about geeking out about software. I've taken InfiniD, Strata, Max, MilkShape, Maya......it all boils down to shifting vertices around and rendering an image.
......Now if you wanna talk about sucky software try making something in InfiniD?....wait, I think MetaCreations went out of business?...nevermind.
wait, I think MetaCreations went out of business?...nevermind.
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Aren't they Curious Labs now? Poser's still around rofl.
*EDIT* for clarification: I dont actually care If you think Maya is crap at all but what bugs me is people that use software for 5 minutes and declare to the community in their infinite wisdom that they know better than Weta et al and that it's shit.
hehe. acctualy, i don't know it for a damn.
Jes, yah i guess so. i mean HAH what are they thinking. everyone knows that my word is the word of god. sheesh. stupid lesser intellegent people.
kdr- i belive you
honsetly NoSe, i'm gonna have to kinda go ahead and.. disagree.. with you there... if the workflow is so cumbersome then i think it'll cause the end result to be of less quality unless the artist has amazing patience. when i'm modeling with a program i'm not articulate with my artwork sucks. i could take 2 hours and MAYBE be able to make it look up to par, but guess what? i'd still be spending 2 hours making it look as good as the art i produce with the other peice of software in 20 minutes. i'm not going to turn this thred into some kind of package promotional thred, but some packages are better for different things than others. that's a fact.
yah malcolm that's true.. i remember my max using days
I just needed something with clarity and funneled with a purpose. Commercial Applications can be overwhelhming and can foreshadow the concepts, rather then figuring out buttons.
I needed to know about low poly modeling, SubDivision and UV Mapping.....not figuring out stacks, material editors, tabs, hotkeys, nodes.....and blah blah blah.
It was probably poor teaching that lead me to detest Max 3, but Max 3 really did have a sucky bones animation system......and Blender confuses the shit out of me.
I find that geeking out about software is not that important, if studios keep switching their packages where the wind blows......I suspect studios will start switching to Softimage since it's so cheap.
Commercial Applications can be overwhelhming and can foreshadow the concepts, rather then figuring out buttons.
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Right on the topic... I am going to try and be a Wings3d fanboy (which I am a little bit
That is exactly why everyone should use Wings3d, doesn't get any easier interface wise, but is a great modeling tool that rivals the "Big-Ones".
There's something I haven't heard of in a while. Most free applications can never measure up to the standards set by their industrial-strength counterparts. They just don't have the support and funding that the big boys do. And because of this they will never really have all of the tools available to industry-standard applications.
But that is not necessarily a bad thing.
How many people here are expert in using all of the advanced features in Maya 3D? How many people here write their own scripts for use in 3D Studio Max? How many people know how to take advantage of the tree / stack navigation that is one of the strengths of SoftImage XSI? Most of the "extra" functions that major 3D apps provide are unnecessary for low-poly game modeling. And goodness knows hobbyists don't want to have to deal with such extreme learning curves. For less intensive purposes (everyone other than industry proffesionals) free-apps are an incredible blessing. And how much better is it when an application like Blender or Wings3D gets regular and useful upgrades?
Major 3D apps will always be the industry standard, but free-app 3D is going to form the backbone of the independent game development industry.
I would hate to be called a fanboy. I believe that title would refer to one who has only had education and experience with a single program, let's say Max, and love it. AND...they hate every single other program available because it's not Max. I see this with kids switching to XSI. Big surprise, it's not Max.
If I had spent $3000+ on Max 3 years ago without looking at all the available options...I'd be rather pissed at myself. So much so that I'd have to convince myself that I love it in order to find purpose in my life. hehe
I normally promote free apps to those who are starting out and interested in learning without sacrificing their budget.
*stop reading here, the rest is a waste of time unless you're interested.*
My preference comes from 3 years of looking for a program that works, and the ability to learn them without damaging my bank account. I started with Gmax, free. Learn the vocabulary (unfortunately), and basic designing. Learned that Max is a piece of shit app. Switched to MayaPLE, free. Great app, has everything, terrific learning materials. too cluttered for me. Couldn't find the Discovery version of Lightwave, so automatic bad rating :P. Not the best for game art, and lacks many basic features. Milkshape...sucks! Used as file conversion only, and sometimes polygon reduction. Cinema 4D demo, very stable and fast program. Follows the same Max Material Editor setup, which nearly cripples it. No support for games. When I used Blender, the UI was an alien spaceship. There have been many improvements since, with a very strong community behind it. Enter Wings3D, I finally learn to model the way it's meant to be done. And as I push geometry around, nothing breaks...like Max. Wings3D doesn't solve the problem of having a commercial package, and extruded edges. Hello XSI price drop. Play with XSI/EXP, free, and hooked. One of the most innovative and fully featured apps I've encountered. Years of searching and waiting finally pay off.
So try the free apps and free versions. It's the best experience and education ANYONE can afford. I've seen artist using Wings3D produce better work than some MAX kiddies. They have a right to be excited. It's a David vs. Goliath thing.
And it's not just for 3D. OpenOffice, and The Gimp2, and AVG, and etc...