Which Graphics card is best NVIDIA Quadro vs GeForce?
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I am trying to find out which gfx card I should purchase if I am using it for 3d modeling in both games and film. I
I was told by sales team from both Nvidia and HP to buy Quadro as it is used by professionals in the industry who model in 3d and gforce is for gamers who only play games but don't make them. I was told by marmoset that you should get gforce card and don't need a quadro card as its for big industries that do a lot of output.
I have been looking at quadro 5000 or the gforce 3080, but i am still unsure on which one has the best overall quality and performance. I want a gfx card that will last for several years and be powerful enough to use in heavy scenes with no restrictions, and can be used in all latest and upcoming future applications, including unreal 5 and marmoset 4 and maya. I don't want something that will be slow and obsolete in the next few years as they are really expensive!
I also read that CPU is important and need high core counts and high core-clocks, but not sure on which one to get?
It would be great to hear back on any recommendations and to share some of their experiences on graphics cards and CPU's.
I was told by sales team from both Nvidia and HP to buy Quadro as it is used by professionals in the industry who model in 3d and gforce is for gamers who only play games but don't make them. I was told by marmoset that you should get gforce card and don't need a quadro card as its for big industries that do a lot of output.
I have been looking at quadro 5000 or the gforce 3080, but i am still unsure on which one has the best overall quality and performance. I want a gfx card that will last for several years and be powerful enough to use in heavy scenes with no restrictions, and can be used in all latest and upcoming future applications, including unreal 5 and marmoset 4 and maya. I don't want something that will be slow and obsolete in the next few years as they are really expensive!
I also read that CPU is important and need high core counts and high core-clocks, but not sure on which one to get?
It would be great to hear back on any recommendations and to share some of their experiences on graphics cards and CPU's.
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The quadro beats the geforce in two things only: Drawing a shitload of tiny geometry (precision), and drawing edge lines on models. If I throw any complex shaders or high texture sizes at it, it reminds me why I don't have a quadro on my gaming computer.
I use quadro for CAD and geforce for MAX/gaming.
-The better a CPUs single threaded performance, the better it'll be for physics simulation & most modeling tasks/tools.
-The better a CPUs multi-threaded performance, the better it'll be for rendering/baking/multitasking.
Which would you choose multi-thread or single thread CPU?
My next CPU will be a Ryzen 5950X.
AMD’s Zen 3 CPUs are here—we test the blistering-fast 5900X and 5950X | Ars Technica
Intel are still competitive at single core performance but if you want the best desktop CPU these days it's likely going to be a Ryzen which nets you good single and multi core performance. All hardware is a bit pricey these days though.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the best thing to do when you're not sure, is to check is what software the machine will be using and then check their recommended hardware. Since they'll know all about providing you the best experience. So as an example, if you know you'll be developing in Unreal for example, check this page Hardware and Software Specifications | Unreal Engine Documentation and if you aren't sure what some of the jargon means, do a quick Google (but don't get lost in the details).
Unless you're doing something very specific that requires a lot of computing power, then I'd just pick the latest gen technology at a bang-for-buck price. On midrange hardware you'll likely have no problems modelling, organising your scene, texturing the majority of assets. Who cares if you wait an extra 30 seconds of your day for that normal map to bake? This is just a good excuse for a tea break
Last thing to note, there's a silicon shortage going on at the moment. All PC hardware prices have skyrocketed. If you can put off buying anything for the next year or so you'll hopefully get better hardware for less than it's currently available at. These days it's lucky if you get into a queue to buy hardware, or get anything at MSRP.
I've got a 10900k and a 5950x on the desk in front of me and in practical terms there's sod all difference between them unless you're doing something intensive and heavily threaded like building code and you only really see a notable difference when the process takes more than about half an hour.
It's really up to you how much money you have and how far you want to take this. For example, I don't do much simulation work so I'm very happy saving the money and getting a weaker CPU and 16GB of RAM. My GPU is a 1080Ti which is top of the line, and I've pushed it a lot since I have an Ultrawide (lots of pixels), but if I had a 1920x1080 HD screen it'd be a waste. When I next do an upgrade I'll be looking at midrange components, price is the biggest reason but also my new preference is to align myself with the vast majority of gamers for no other reason than I can test my projects on relevant hardware i.e. widely available hardware.
If you're literally just starting out I'd try and veer more towards the budget end.
The same goes for the 5950x - what will you do that can take advantage of 32 threads ?
5800/5900 and a 3080 will get you 90%+ of the performance for (at RRP) 50-60% of the cost leaving you able to buy more ram, faster disks, higher quality motherboard etc.
a 5600 and a 3070 would suit the majority of game art enthusiasts just fine if they're not using the machine to make a living.
Monitors - Dell ultrasharp 27" 4k screens if you have £800ish - that's about as good as they get in terms of colour reproduction before you start spending real money
if not the LG 27" 4k HDR panels are pretty good at around £400 - you get adequate sRGB coverage and they seem to last.
Future proofing is a myth. Generational leaps are where most of your performance comes from. Just compare similar models from 2 generations apart and you'll see how big these improvements are.
When you've got your CPU/RAM you'll likely not upgrade these for many years, but your GPU no matter which one you purchase today will typically be "outdated" within 2-3 years. I put that in quotes because it's not like it won't still be good, it'll just be lacking small features or improvements that make their successors better. CPU's don't change nearly as much.
Common advice at the moment, or so I've heard so far, is to buy a pre-built PC that has the GPU you want then take it out and put it in your main rig then sell the PC it came in. I haven't looked at the numbers yet since I'm not currently in the market (because of the shortage) so I can't say I endorse this, it's also a risk/hassle to deal with selling a machine too.
Toolbag + unreal just so happen to have transparency issues ... (my thoughts they are trying to achieve something 1st and purposefully created those situations, lock outs.) (or positive thoughts they are being nice and allowing others to figure things out and get some lime light before destroying them.)
Obviously could be wrong but someone on the outside looking in's view on the situation. (Again could be TOTAL coincidence)
Now let's look at these gfx issues, was totally fine at one point and now suddenly(with this cv.bs) we can't get much of anything. Only private businesses are closed/forcefully removed and now everyone is "locked" into the controlling businesses. (They are pushing self check out pretty hard aren't they ? you can probably see that yourselves easily enough.)
At the same time it just so happens they have a solution to this issue, built in GPU's now... (oh look a new market just appeared out of know where, or did they make it happen...)
Idk but i been seeing a lot of moves that are pushing the herd in certain directions, like these delivery situations, anyone seen them yet? Driver-less delivery vehicles?
Every one stay at home now we got you covered! Remember sleep with your mask on.
Sry for the not so off-topic discussion.
occam's razor etc.
No motherboard is future proof. we get new sockets from both amd and Intel in the next generation.
Just buy one of the lower high-end gaming boards so you get decent power delivery.
If you're determined to spend all your money for no reason I recommend one of those £2000 water cooled extreme overclocking motherboards, a pair of water cooled 3090s in sli, an 11900k and some 5000mhz ram. That should guarantee both maximum disappointment and maximum expenditure.
For motherboard the most important is that it's compatible with the CPU you'll get. So if you're looking at an AMD 5800 you'll want an X570 or B550 most likely. If you were looking at Intel CPUs would be a completely different set.
You need something with robust power delivery if you're going to work with a big fat GPU it 8-9 hours a day - somewhere between 200-300 uk is where you want to be looking. all the big manufacturers have something in that range.
the main thing is that you dont need to spend extra on boards that support multi-GPU or have shit-loads of PCIe lanes because you'll never use them
To be honest I think you're overthinking it a lot. You can create good art on crap hardware and there's an art to that. It helps you appreciate optimisation and even on better hardware you'll be happy you learnt this, this applies to film production too, when your renders complete in half the time because you knew to tweak a specific value.
Lastly you mention you're studying. If you're a student and this money is from a loan or grant, tread very very carefully. At first it feels like a good windfall and you buy super expensive components but it'll quickly disappear. I've seen this happen before and always leads to some embarrassment.
if i look at the latest and greatest stuff on artstation i dont fear at all my hardware is holding me back from copying even in the next couple years. consumer culture is pervasive and for some reason people love to eat it up. You need to treat your money like your girlfriend - people look at her with lust in their eyes you got to attack them like a rabid bulldog. stay the fuck away from my money i'll make art with sticks and rocks.
Do you know if ryzen 7 5800x will be sufficient enough for the 3090?
Yes the 5800x is enough, more than enough. There will always be a bottle neck, else we'd have unlimited resource. There is no such thing as "future proofing", else we'd not need to RnD new hardware.
Without knowing exactly 100% of what you're doing, it's hard to make proper recommendations. It sounds simple when you say Film editing, modelling, simulations, texturing etc. but these disciplines are very broad stretching across a variety of software that each does it's own thing.
I was trying to err you to be cautious with your money since it sounds like you're not a professional yet and you're just studying. However, it does seem that you're willing to spend thousands with no deterrent, so yes, you don't need us to advise you much, just buy the best of the best. Go on Newegg or Scan and sort by Price Descending.
VRAM is good for stuffing large or many textures into a scene and for large buffers (for 4K screens), and a decent amount should be required even for rendering offline, note that a "decent" amount is probably 8GB+, I wouldn't get anything with less than 6 and my GPU has 11GB. However, some film GPU renderers use virtual memory techniques so you'll typically just swap data when it hits your VRAM limit, it'll slow your renders a tiny perhaps insignificant amount and certainly not by hours or anything. If you're rendering with a CPU renderer i.e. Arnold CPU, or Cycles CPU etc. you don't need to worry about this, but yes most renderers are moving toward GPU & compute so if you've got the money to spent get a hefty one.
Summary: You can make do with a lot less, but get the 3090 if you can afford it anyway.
Are you building your system from scratch? Make sure not to cheap out on the power supply while we're at it too. A 5800x, 3090 and whatever else you'll have, you're probably looking at 700W minimum to be on the safe side. Make sure it's rated gold at least. Last thing we'd want is your pricey components underperforming, or worse, unprotected because of a cheap PSU.
I am looking at Novatech as they build custom machines and I can get the VAT off. I could build it and i am still weighing up the costs and availability of parts to see which route is more cost effective.Thanks for telling me about the power supply, I wasn't aware of that; the last thing I want is my expensive parts to blow! I was looking at Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE AMD X570 ATX MOTHERBOARD, costs around £200 and has the capacity to do up to 12 cores, so if I ever wanted to upgrade to a ryzen 9 5900x then i could do that. Have you heard of it? I read useful info on motherboards and recommended this form here https://www.cgdirector.com/best-motherboard-for-amd-ryzen-5000/
Features/IO are things like:
BIOS/UEFI software that you like
Maximum supported RAM
Are there enough PCIe slots for what you plan to plug in
Whether there is onboard WiFi
A more premium onboard audio chip
Whether you require a USB-C header
Whether the motherboard has enough fan headers to power your CPU and case fans
Does it have an m.2 slot for your nice new NVME SSD drive and is it active or passively cooled
Do they have all the above but in a nice location that makes it easier for you to build
Try get one as close as good for you as you require, but remember you can always expand or get around some limitations such as WiFi or audio quality. Just read reviews and watch build guides.
I'm sure you're doing this already, but make sure to throw all your parts into PCPartsPicker to make sure it's all compatible