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Have anyone heard about this? I have just discovered it a few days ago, by seeing some artists posting about their sellings on crypto art auctions and marketplaces. Took me a while to understand why people pays thousands of dollars for a gif but now I get it. I believe this whole thing is fairly recent, or at least it just starts to get to some extremes. For example, there is the artist "beeple". Check out his stuff on artstation, it worth it! Recently he made 3.5m $ by selling copies of his art this way. Since then I found 2-3 websites that can be used for this. Some of them are auction based, some of them are more like regular marketplaces, some of them accepts real money, some of them accepts crypto money. Any thoughts or experience with the topic?

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  • Eric Chadwick
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    Not much different from selling on Gumroad, Etsy, etc. Kudos to Beeple for making it work.

    Moving this to Career & Education, seeing as how it's to do with learning how to sell.
  • Obscura
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    With all respect, this is very different. You don't sell a tool and the source files, but rather you sell a single render of some format such as single image , video, gif etc. And poeple pays extraordinary price for them to own a copy.For example selling a render for a few hundred dollars seems to be totally normal in this space. Better selling pieces can go for as high as 30k or more.
  • Obscura
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    Its like when art collecting people buys a painting and they actually own it. This but with digital art in a digital form.
  • Obscura
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    Here is one such website. It is mostly auction based and the beeple story happened here. He collected that money during one night!
    Now I totally understand that people would think like what the fuck is this, but if we simplify it, its like what I said in my previous post, but in a modern form that takes advantage ot technology. I am not an expert in the topic, but it does look like something that we need to keep an eye on and I would highly encourage you to check out how much some pieces makes. This way of selling pieces of art is something new.

    https://niftygateway.com/collections

    Not sure if you are seeing my new posts after the move @Eric Chadwick . Not saying to move it back but I think its not what you thought it is, and I think it worth a discussion because this is way better than the usual ways. Its also something that just came to be recently. It is indeed about selling stuff, but not like how we are used to sell.
  • sacboi
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    I think what is new and unique, well certainly ground breaking in the world of digital art is the concept of assigning Blockchain Ledger Technology, basically a means by which content can be authenticated alongside a given artwork's scarcity. Essentially making it possible for anyone to track the history of the piece that previously was impossible to do however eye popping sums at auction just from a quick online search seem related to those artists with an existing audience and willing to spend those amounts, whether cryptocurrency or real money.
  • Obscura
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    Since its a fairly new thing, its probably not very hard to make audience yet. I've been following the topic recently and I saw seemingly unknown artists (aat least I didn't know them and they don't seem to have large audience) making a few thousands at these auctions. The website I linked in the earlier post also seem to take some care of advertising your stuff when its on sale. Of course it doesn't hurt if you do it too. 

    I do believe that artists needs to know about this whole thing because it just made it possible to make money from your digital art in a traditional way in a sense that people can buy it. Which was not really possible in the past, unless you sold prints or some other physical form. I mean. It would be a shame if people missed the opportunity only because they didnt know that this is possible.
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    Hmm... This seems interesting. Why is it called Crypto Ar? Is the payment made with cryptocurrency only? I do like the idea of having some sort of signature that locks down the first original digital art giving it a lot of vaule compared to other copies of it flying around the internet. Will be very valuable many years down the line.

    Only time will tell if this works or doesn't.
  • Obscura
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    Some of them allows you to pay with real money. I think its called crypto art because of the blockchain assignment. 
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    Thanks for posting that article, definitely interesting times ahead.

    And the one takeaway for me that remains central regardless of marketplace/platform is *Self-Marketing*
    "It really is all about the artist"
  • Obscura
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    I would like to draw your attention to some more recent stories related to nft art and more popular artists. I've been following the topic since I created the tread. The first discovery was that you can do this with music too. But it seems like popular any type of artists are starting to discover that this is the way :) Deadmaus just had a drop on nifty today with 2 pieces with different conditions. One of them was a one hit on an auction base. Sold for 20k. The another piece was a "silent auction" where there is a min bid and a recommended price, and 5 copies are being sold. As far as I'm aware, the highest bid was around 66k for a single copy.Source here:
    https://niftygateway.com/itemdetail/primary/0x4e6c7f87d1e08a88a2031bf61d5352b60498a8ce/1

    The story continues with Justion Roiland who is the "Co-creator and voice of rick and morty" 
    https://twitter.com/JustinRoiland
    He will have a drop on nifty with these 3... Whatever these are:
    https://twitter.com/niftygateway/status/13502463914032087

  • Obscura
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    Infuriating? Not really, because if you look through the list of drops there, you can see that this is not unusual, and if you have a nice idea, its possible to take out some "pocket money" from this relatively easily.
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    A nice idea is also relative. And yeah sure some of them may be categorized as kids drawing but I mean If people are willing to pay for that then who am I to judge.
  • Obscura
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    Also note that this site I'm favoring in the thread is basically a one hit possibility.
  • Obscura
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    There are other websites for nft art such as super rare and others but they work differently.
  • Obscura
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    Better be thinking about what your drop would look like :)
  • Obscura
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    Once again, I believe every artist needs to know that this exists.
  • sacboi
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    Beeple sold a NFT for $69 million

    Until October, the most Mike Winkelmann — the digital artist known as Beeple — had ever sold a print for was $100.

    Today, an NFT of his work sold for $69 million at Christie’s. The sale positions him “among the top three most valuable living artists,” according to the auction house.

    The record-smashing NFT sale comes after months of increasingly valuable auctions. In October, Winkelmann sold his first series of NFTs, with a pair going for $66,666.66 each. In December, he sold a series of works for $3.5 million total. And last month, one of the NFTs that originally sold for $66,666.66 was resold for $6.6 million.

    “I do view this as the next chapter of art history.”

    NFTs, or non-fungible tokens, are unique files that live on a blockchain and are able to verify ownership of a work of digital art. Buyers typically get limited rights to display the digital artwork they represent, but in many ways, they’re just buying bragging rights and an asset they may be able to resell later. The technology has absolutely exploded over the past few weeks — and Winkelmann, more than anyone else, has been at the forefront of its rapid rise.

    “He showed us this collage, and that was my eureka moment when I knew this was going to be extremely important,” Noah Davis, a specialist in post-war and contemporary art at Christie’s, told The Verge. “It was just so monumental and so indicative of what NFTs can do.”

  • NikhilR
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    All it is, is art tacked on a crypto token...

    It isn't environment friendly at all.
    Good way to burn the planet and ruin our future though.

    https://joanielemercier.com/the-problem-of-cryptoart/
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    Indeed, confronting!

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    sacboi said:
    Indeed, confronting!

    That's a great article, thanks for sharing!
    Crypto energy consumption is way higher than anything we do daily on the internet. Mining it is designed to burn energy the size of whole countries.
    Also do you need to be a good artist, or rather an artist to get into crypto art? 
    A lot of it the success stories seem to be connected to already popular artists, even if their art is shit (like Grimes) 
    Also you need to front 'gas money' to get your art dropped, then the ethereum behind it is speculated usually after some one bids and the artist gets a percentage in crypto.
    So basically a pyramid scheme.

    When that is speculated and converted only then do you get any dollars. 
    So basically its like gambling chips, there is no intrinsic value in the art whatsoever.
    Also I noticed that a lot of the buyers were the same account across multiple artists, many times connected to the very marketplaces that were hosting the art.
    So basically an investor investing his own money into art he hosts to raise the value of the marketplace. And there is no way to know if artists that put their art aren't doing the same thing. Its completely unregulated.

    I mean as long as it pays the artist, but the environmental impact sure is considerable. 
    Kinda like attaching ones art to packaging for blood diamonds.

    https://kotaku.com/crypto-art-belongs-in-the-trash-1846444119

    There's also the matter of art theft and copyright
    https://io9.gizmodo.com/dc-comics-tells-artists-to-stay-out-of-nft-business-or-1846466427
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    sacboi said:
    Beeple sold a NFT for $69 million

    Until October, the most Mike Winkelmann — the digital artist known as Beeple — had ever sold a print for was $100.

    Today, an NFT of his work sold for $69 million at Christie’s. The sale positions him “among the top three most valuable living artists,” according to the auction house.

    The record-smashing NFT sale comes after months of increasingly valuable auctions. In October, Winkelmann sold his first series of NFTs, with a pair going for $66,666.66 each. In December, he sold a series of works for $3.5 million total. And last month, one of the NFTs that originally sold for $66,666.66 was resold for $6.6 million.

    “I do view this as the next chapter of art history.”

    NFTs, or non-fungible tokens, are unique files that live on a blockchain and are able to verify ownership of a work of digital art. Buyers typically get limited rights to display the digital artwork they represent, but in many ways, they’re just buying bragging rights and an asset they may be able to resell later. The technology has absolutely exploded over the past few weeks — and Winkelmann, more than anyone else, has been at the forefront of its rapid rise.

    “He showed us this collage, and that was my eureka moment when I knew this was going to be extremely important,” Noah Davis, a specialist in post-war and contemporary art at Christie’s, told The Verge. “It was just so monumental and so indicative of what NFTs can do.”


    now the real kicker here is, it was bought by an NFT company... don't get me wrong it's absolutely great for beeple, but i doubt it was ever about the art, maybe a bit about the artist. It was always just to lure more folks into the space.
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    Neox said:

    now the real kicker here is, it was bought by an NFT company... don't get me wrong it's absolutely great for beeple, but i doubt it was ever about the art, maybe a bit about the artist. It was always just to lure more folks into the space.
    Dammit! my glasses just lost their rose colored tint...only another ponzi, it would seem.
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    Neox said:

    now the real kicker here is, it was bought by an NFT company... don't get me wrong it's absolutely great for beeple, but i doubt it was ever about the art, maybe a bit about the artist. It was always just to lure more folks into the space.

    and now they burnt a banksy as a publicity stunt:

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    Neox said:

    so what exactly does one "buy"?
    Well according to this - metadata?!!

    (a mocked up version via article, of what one might receive upon purchase )

    So you spent millions on an NFT Heres what you actually bought
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    ArtStation community, gives NFTs the thumbs down:

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    Neox said:

    As far as I know, one paying for NFT actually buys a certificate that they now own that piece of art. That's what the price comes from. Anyone can download a gif or a crappy jpg made in paint, but they can't prove that they own that piece without the digital certificate.
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