Stan Lee Bust WIP (feedback would be grateful)

chrishircock

hey everyone, due to the sad passing of Stan Lee I decided to honour him by making a realistic bust of him. I plan to show my work in process on this feed and hope I would get some feedback on my work. Thank you for your time.   

ARMADUS

I'd say his head is a little bit more squarish than what you have currently. Keep looking at reference work and see if you can setup an orthographic plain in zbrush(if you haven't already).

ARMADUS

I'd say his head is a little bit more squarish than what you have currently. Keep looking at reference work and see if you can setup an orthographic plain in zbrush(if you haven't already).

chrishircock

chrishircock

i altered face more< better?

chrishircock

chrishircock

chrishircock

just changed the chin part a bit

chrishircock

chrishircock

update.
looking at ref and placing the images of stan lee into zbrush to move the overall shape into the correct shape. added some of the basic folds into the face. Plan now to add the high detail wrinkles to the head.

Feedback would be great, thanks.

chrishircock

chrishircock

i started adding the blockout of the wrinkles around the eyes

chrishircock

chrishircock

chrishircock

starting to add more of the wrinkles on the bust and altering the eyes as well. 

chrishircock

chrishircock

chrishircock

I added more details on the face and neck. I am now planning to higher the division and start adding the finer wrinkles and pores. 

chrishircock

added the finer details.

chrishircock

chrishircock

more

chrishircock

chrishircock

I believe it is finished. I am now planning to retopology the model in maya

chrishircock

chrishircock

Made the lower poly version which contains  about 10,000 tris (left). while the right side is about 40,000 tris. I plan to have a version of the right one for my final presentation of my model. 

bkost

Hi @chrishircock good progress! I'm happy that you have continued to share your updates regardless of the 'radio silence'.  I look forward to seeing this finished up. I think the biggest challenge you need to tackle is some in depth anatomy understanding. For your next few pieces, please focus on the primary large forms and maybe some secondary forms. But it's most critical to nail down the base forms before diving into the secondry forms, don't even think about the minutia of pores and skin folds (tertiary deets). You need to have an understanding of whats going on underneath. "Sculpt what you know, then what you see" - Scott Eaton. Focus on planes of the face, skull shape/landmarks, and muscle origins/insertions. 

Here's a little paintover illustrating the primary form differences. It's tough to nail down a likeness but I dont think you did too bad. Keep pumping out more studies and you'll improve fast. Cheers

slosh

Something that would help immensely if ur looking for crits is to post a front, side, 3/4 of your sculpt next to an image of each angle that you are using for ref.  things to look out for in ref images is camera FOV being pretty neutral and not distorting facial proportion, time frame so ur not getting differences in volume, and stuff by plastic surgery or makeup for women(not really an issue with Stan of course).  Right now, the face feels quite long.  I think you need to widen the cranium as well as the zygomatic.  Forget about the details and drop to a lower subdiv to get better primary forms to match the ref images.  His eyes are def too high but this is probably stemming from his face being too long.  Eye should be roughly halfway down his face.

chrishircock

chrishircock

Thanks for the feedback guys. Really graceful for it.

So I pulled the cheeks and sides a bit to make the top head wider. The eyes and nose height are at the correct place as shown on the left side image of stan lee.  

chrishircock

chrishircock

The version before I widen the face.

chrishircock

chrishircock

better or keep the original?

chrishircock

@bkost and @slosh

slosh

be careful with some of ur front ref shots.  the fov is absolutely getting distorted.  side looks pretty solid.  make sure you fov in zbrush is around 30 as well.  it will also help to drop ur head into something like marmoset to check with the cameras in another viewer.  I can barely tell the difference between before and after.  maybe put them side by side.  try to find a front ref that is taken from a bit more of a distance...not selfie or head shot close.

Eleszar1

i think you missed a step,  there are 4 steps of sculpting i think you missed 1,  and thats the third step,

1: shape

2:basic forms like muscles etc

3: Pre final base details  thats the step you missed the base for the final details to be sculpt on

4: and final step it seems you projected some details on his face it makes it look like he is wearing a layer of skin on his face,  

Its good work  my suggestion is to sculpt with inflate on those mid tiny details on it

chrishircock

the fov in zbrush is set at 28. 

i don't understand what you mean on the step 3: pre final base details. Please explain further. sadly I can't find a front view of him.

chrishircock

chrishircock

@Eleszar1 and @slosh ,  I edited the skull a bit and made the neck more wider, i made the low poly mesh and uv and baked everything. I am now planning to do the hair. 

jose.fuentes

i think perhaps you rushed it a bit. it should look like him before you add any tertiary details.  If you save in increments go back before you started adding the details and really work on the likeness.  Right now it really doesn't look anything like him.  Keep at it though

chrishircock

chrishircock

Not the final version, still working on it, some parts need improving on. Just wanted to show my process on the model since I haven't posted anything awhile now. Was busy with work and other things. This was rendered in SketchFab

chrishircock

chrishircock

chrishircock

chrishircock

chrishircock

chrishircock

I finally did it, I put him in marmoset. After trials and errors with the hair and skin. I did it.

chrishircock

Thank you all for the feedback. I have learned a lot when making him. Thank you Stan Lee for everything. 

abdullahrazee

chrishircock said: pretty close

abdullahrazee

pretty close!