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franman
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I'm pretty sure many of us have this.  At times we get distracted and couldn't really focus on the work we love to do.

For me, I love 3D modeling but there's another conflict of interest that I have.

I got competitive with the Soul Calibur series since Soul Calibur 2 and with Soul Calibur 6 coming out on October 19th it re-sparked the competitive side of me.  For the first time Soul Calibur 6 is coming out to the PC and because of that, this got me focusing on planning what hardware components to buy for a build that is good for competitive gaming and 3D production work.

In a nutshell the reason I became less focused on my current 3D projects is because of my competitive spirit in this 3D fighting game and the plot to build the perfect rig.

What steps would guys recommend for me to retain my focus on 3D modeling? Is there a way to balance my focus on other interests?

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  • JordonBritz
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    JordonBritz polycounter lvl 6
    For me, I get motivated quickly when I think about the goal of getting a job in the industry. The way I see it, the more work I do now the sooner I get to do what I love for a living. 

    I also have difficulty nowadays playing games for a while without looking over the environments and wanting to make some awesome art. :smiley:
  • JordanN
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    The reward that better portolio = more money. 

    I've actually playing less and less games because I feel my time is better served focusing on a career. 

    I only start playing games now when my renders start taking hours and I need to to pass the time. But it's just not the same anymore. I just want to keep making 3d models and texturing forever.
  • Brian "Panda" Choi
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    Brian "Panda" Choi high dynamic range
    This is the calculation in my head most times:

    Three hours playing games

    or 

    Three hours in career investment.

    Happens every day.  Replace games with whatever might be relevant.
  • Alex_J
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    You spend a year playing these games, at the end what do you got?

    Nothing. Just time fizzled away that you will forget immediately.

    You spend a year working in 3d -- which is very much like a challenging game in itself -- and at the end of the year what do you got? Maybe a good job, or some art you can sell.
  • CrackRockSteady
    JordanN said:
     ...playing games now when my renders start taking hours and I need to to pass the time. But it's just not the same anymore. I just want to keep making 3d models and texturing forever.
    Truly time well spent
  • Brian "Panda" Choi
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    Perhaps speaking to your competitive side, maybe the way to proactively frame this is thinking about how much better other artists are getting while you're spending time getting better at competitive games or building a tower (that I doubt many people get to see).

    If you're planning to get paid to be a competitive gamer, personally I would understand that.  eSports athletes do work, and they get paid well if they succeed like regular professional athletes.

    It doesn't sound like you're planning to make a career of competitive gaming.

    Maybe it's time to treat game art competitively.  You're fighting Paul Fish, that kid down the street, the artist in Malaysia, the Norwegian who's been stuck at home because of snow, and the rest of Polycount for the limited number of game art positions in this industry.

    If you're not going to put in the work to be here, then someone else will.
  • pior
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    One day, you will die.

    Shouldn't that be enough to keep your competitive spirit desire for instant gratification in check ?
  • Brian "Panda" Choi
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    Brian "Panda" Choi high dynamic range
    Sell your games.  Use it to buy components.


  • danr
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    Oh, what wank. Dial in some willpower to do what you think is most important. If you don’t have any faculties for willpower, you’re beyond help, so just go with whatever occurs, you might luck in. 
  • NikhilR
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    ...competitive spirit...
  • JordanN
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    Truly time well spent
    It might be the last time I do something like this since this technology is finally coming out next year.
    And by then, I'll have hopefully bought a better computer. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqxonOrl4Q 


  • Alex_J
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    JordanN said:
    Truly time well spent






    Ahem ^^^


    Sometimes you got to be lenient on yourself. Sometimes you got to be your own shrink. But sometimes, you just need to be a Drill Sergeant and put a boot in your own ass. If you find yourself making more than one excuse a week, it's time to put on the D.I. hat and get fucking hard on yourself. 




  • JordanN
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    Ahem ^^^


    Sometimes you got to be lenient on yourself. Sometimes you got to be your own shrink. But sometimes, you just need to be a Drill Sergeant and put a boot in your own ass. If you find yourself making more than one excuse a week, it's time to put on the D.I. hat and get fucking hard on yourself. 
    It was a personal choice to go past the deadline. 

    I didn't stop working on my portfolio, but I can't rush it. I'm a person who hates rush. You can see how in this thread I said I'm dedicating every hour to 3D modeling. If a date is approaching and I don't feel the quality isn't good enough, I'll still take two more days to help make it better then before.

    It's just a natural part of me. At my last job, I let my manager know this and he had no issue. Once he realized I was a person who showed up to work everyday, and fought to push his work ethic above others, he didn't mind.  
  • Alex_J
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    I'm working on some portfolio pieces and plan on applying for jobs before the end of this year. OP and Jordan, I think you have been involved in 3d longer than I have... Don't let me beat you! I will be a big asshole about it!
  • JordanN
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    It's very possible you might.

    But I mention I'm not aiming for speed. Speed will come when I finally have my own home. Where I'm currently situated, rushing is the last thing I want to do. 

    It's also not just the portfolio I'm working on. I still have something else I said I was going to show on Polycount in the near future. It's just that due to the current timing right now and situation, I have to put it back before it's ready to be shown to the public.
  • TheGabmeister
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    Chiming in to give OP my advice. For me, it's a matter of discipline. There are multiple threads in Polycount that discusses this.

    In my case, I do a daily quota of around 4-6 hours (depending on the time available) during weekdays that I dedicate for 3D. The remaining time are spent talking to teammates, reading emails, exercising, resting, etc. I agree that there are a lot of distractions throughout a day that come to take away your focus, but I know that if I dedicate around 5 hours per weekday for 3D, then that will 25 hours spent in 1 week, and 100 hours in 1 month spent for 3D. That's enough time for a portfolio piece.

    I try to take quick vacations during weekends and not do any 3D just to refresh my mind for the upcoming week.
  • sacboi
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    sacboi high dynamic range
    I'm into schedules, something like a.daily planner and such, where I'll either allocate a certain amount of time pushing verts as opposed too leisure activities on a per monthly basis. I guess a holdover trait steming from a stint in the Military however gotta say dosn't always work given todays increasingly timepoor lifestyle afflicting developed economies but generally speaking for me, doable.
  • NikhilR
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    I have a little to do list that I update from day to day.
    But I work on models/commissions on the lump sum to keep things interesting.
  • Amsterdam Hilton Hotel
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    franman said:
    What steps would guys recommend for me to retain my focus on 3D modeling?
    dont click out of the max window
  • Mathew O
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    Mathew O polycounter
    BALANCE

    If you only work on your 3D, you'll hate it, you'll suck the passion out of it and it'll show in your folio. 

    Playing games let's you see what other studios / artists are up to and can inspire you, an important part of becoming a good artist is soaking up art through TV / Film / Games (In my case) and letting that fuel your own creative fire. 

    So for me, 100% production gives diminishing returns. I prefer to run at like 60 - 70% and the rest is enjoying other media, I actually end up creating so much more work because of it. I killed myself to get into the industry and it took a couple of years before the fun came back to my portfolio and fun  = quality. 

    You only need one good piece to get hired.
  • DInusty
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    DInusty polycounter lvl 17
    1000% what Mathew O said.
  • goekbenjamin
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    goekbenjamin polycounter lvl 6
    Mathew O said:
    BALANCE

    If you only work on your 3D, you'll hate it, you'll suck the passion out of it and it'll show in your folio. 

    Playing games let's you see what other studios / artists are up to and can inspire you, an important part of becoming a good artist is soaking up art through TV / Film / Games (In my case) and letting that fuel your own creative fire. 

    So for me, 100% production gives diminishing returns. I prefer to run at like 60 - 70% and the rest is enjoying other media, I actually end up creating so much more work because of it. I killed myself to get into the industry and it took a couple of years before the fun came back to my portfolio and fun  = quality. 

    You only need one good piece to get hired.
    At the moment i am right here: "...i kill myself to get into the industry...":
    - go to work
    - come home, family time
    - working late at night at the portfolio

    But in order to get that one good piece for the portfolio, i guess i have to "push" myself so hard to keep reaching this one piece, until than i can "relax" the strive.
  • Mathew O
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    I totally understand your struggle, I went through the exact same thing before i got into Ubisoft. I'd commute to work, work, commute back, arrive around 8pm, eat with my girlfriend and then work until like 2am. 

    My advice to myself back then would have been: "Give yourself 1 full night to only hang with the family, get a couple of hours of gaming in here and there" as I completely believe going 100% negatively affects your work overtime as it becomes a chore instead of a passion. 
  • zachagreg
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    zachagreg ngon master
    One of the biggest things that I do to keep on track is just put on some easy listening music, or whatever your taste, and stay on my stuff. Like what @Amsterdam Hilton Hotel is saying don't click out of Max. If you find yourself doing that click back in, close Polycount, close social media, and my biggest is close Artstation.

    Unless you're studying a piece of work or reference I've found myself going into the artstation wish and wonder hole too many times while working on my own pieces. It can demolish your productivity sitting there and looking at great artists and wondering what you could be "blah blah blah".

    You'll find that the initial use of willpower will get you into the "zone" so to speak. Also, sometimes you just never get there and that's when it times to just knuckle up and go through that wall. Keep working.

    What everyone else is saying in terms of balance is extremely helpful but you shouldn't use it as an excuse to stop working when you just don't feel like it. Exercise, keep joy and entertainment in your life of course, but when it's time to work it's time to work. It's not time to play games if you want to be making them. 

    Also practicing self discipline now will have huge pay off later down the line. If you feel like you wasted the day playing video games when you go to bed at night  that means you did.
  • Clark Coots
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    If your goal is to get a job in the industry portfolio should be top priority. That being said don't burn yourself out. I think it's okay to relax and have fun and play games. Not only that any interview I've been on they ask, "What games are you playing?". Not playing games in this career is like an author not reading other books, a VFX artist not going to see the latest VFX intensive blockbuster. At the end of the day what do you get playing games? Inspiration, motivation, emotional response, social experience, ability to communicate with the other artists who will hire you wondering if you know anything about the games they make. I find it ironic some people here are hinting at giving up games, you just need to find a balance that fits your goals, stick to it and do it. Maybe get SC6 after you've finished a particular portfolio goal.
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  • NikhilR
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    If your goal is to get a job in the industry portfolio should be top priority. That being said don't burn yourself out. I think it's okay to relax and have fun and play games. Not only that any interview I've been on they ask, "What games are you playing?". Not playing games in this career is like an author not reading other books, a VFX artist not going to see the latest VFX intensive blockbuster. At the end of the day what do you get playing games? Inspiration, motivation, emotional response, social experience, ability to communicate with the other artists who will hire you wondering if you know anything about the games they make. I find it ironic some people here are hinting at giving up games, you just need to find a balance that fits your goals, stick to it and do it. Maybe get SC6 after you've finished a particular portfolio goal.
      I don't really play games, but I do look up for information on their art and studio processes to learn more about production.
      That way I get to watch a bit of gameplay too.
      But as an game artist, save for engine integration if that is my task, there is little to no input i can give about the gameplay especially in a major studio, unless I'm in level design or the like.
       I mean I appreciate the games a studio makes but I don't think its my place to tell them how to do gameplay, unless I'm hired for the task and they ask.
      That said I'd have a few pointers to improve gameplay experiences.
       I highly doubt OP is playing games to become a better game artist. I've had so many classmates give the exact same reason. We had a lab in school meant for game dev work and the lot were using it for "competitive gaming". They had to be kicked out way too many times.
      Very few of those type of game artists stayed on in the program.
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