The order 1886 style bust progress (UE4)
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Hey,
I'm working on creating a realistic male head I was hoping to get some feedback from some of you lovely people. I also have one progress picture I started from a sphere. I haven't added any secondary forms yet I want to get my primary forms good first.
I'm working on creating a realistic male head I was hoping to get some feedback from some of you lovely people. I also have one progress picture I started from a sphere. I haven't added any secondary forms yet I want to get my primary forms good first.
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Thank you, I will take a better look at my references and correct those issues.
Although wI was wondering what you meant with the nasolabial fold and crease from the inner part of they eye. Isn't the nasolabial fold the one that comes down from the nose to the sides of the mouth?
Oh never gave it any thought before I totally see what you mean now thanks!
@Ouran
Hey I feel like the transitions are a lot better now I feel like my Nasolabial fold and the crease are still pretty parallel but I don't think it looks bad. But I feel like the under lids still looks off but I don't know why do you have any idea?
Hope this helps, keep it up.
Using these two as reference
Making the same thing as adam skutt(upper reference) so I can really figure on the head. Only planning to also add eyes and hair as well and ofc making it game ready. I will break the symmetry after I'm done with the primary forms. I'm planning to have the correct primary forms>retopo>break symmetry>secondary forms>fix topology>add tertiary forms.
Not doing a likeness sculpt of any face just have a shit load of face reference and try to put it all together into a face I like.
Also, you won't be able to make good lips without having an option to open mouth the mouth, I'd rework topology in that area.
Overall looks good, I like the armor.
Keep up!
I'm going to start on the lp and bake of the armor from now on.
The head texture seems pretty good for an early version. But you need to clean the projection in spots like the bottom eyelashes or the neck( in the center it feels different vs the sides) and perhaps add more brownish/violet tones in the eye bag area and yellowish in the upper front.
Marmoset vs ue4 :
*Marmoset:ç
-Far simpler and faster scene and texture setup( at least for me) but limited in shader types and especially blending.
-Easiest eye/skin/hair shading with outstanding results in no time like the dithering+sampling on hair or the AO baked+add transparency+parallax on eyes.
-No need for lightmaps or textures conversion like ue4 and that speeds up the workflow.
-Reflection quality lags behind ue4 in my opinion, in marmoset the screen space reflections show a blurry result vs ue4
* In general has a limited but successful shader types for present your work in AAA level of quality.
*UE4:
-Much denser/complex buuuut it allows you to achieve almost any shader + if you buy post process packs like the Chameleon, you can develop a lot of styles, from cell shading/hand draw, to a more cinematic presentation.
-It´s obviously the best alongside cryengine to present full environments and the node capability allows "Infinite" possibilities.
-For characters( if you have the knowledge) it stay amongst the best too, see Baolong Zhang for example.
-For me the eye it´s a little bit trickier and the hair...ugh i never obtain the same dithering/clean transparency that i have in Marmoset.
-Plus you have the example scenes and a LOT of info and tutorials in the internet included their you tube channel.
"In a nutshell":
Marmo: Easier, Faster, Better for single props/characters.
UE4: Harder, Far more options, Better for larger environment or complex scenes. Allows you to make almost anything in terms of shading.
Thanks for the reply man, Yeah it still does need a lot of cleaning up. I'll make sure to keep an eye out for the colors of the face but I was planning to fix that after projecting. Thanks for all the info about the differences I'll probably give them both a shot and see how both of them work out for me. Yeah, Baolong Zhang piece was very nice and also after seeing this https://texturing.xyz/pages/brav-fg-texturing-a-realistic-face-for-real-time-rendering-inside-unreal-engine-4 I wanted to try ue4 for my self.
Good choice with UE4! As it´s much more complex than Toolbag you can add as many inputs/blends/detail maps(i think),
For me without knowing "nothing" your head mesh looks better in ue4.
Good tutorials...Unreal in youtube as a good example, they cover almost everything from basic to some intermediate things, as wel as their webpage tutorials. For example, detail normals first screenshot:
Then look characters made in UE4, like Paragon or Unreal Tournament.
For me, personally i was using the workflow from Square Enix in GDC but in the end i couldn´t apply it, the smear map and the rgba vertex colours as i was using Toolbag limited to 1 detail normal.
Maybe in UE4 there is a logic implementation of the directionality detail normal workflow
I'm getting really weird lighting lines in my screengrabs I don't get them in the viewport self I have no idea how to fix them. @koromo Would you happen to know why?
I need some screenshots showing the settings/graphics or lights, also... are you using Toolbag or UE4?
If it´s toolbag 99% weird lightning lines like yours are from GI without enveloping all the voxelized scene and/or the lights themselves.
If it´s UE4... far more complex, can be from the graphic settings, from the light settings,maybe shadow flickering...a lot of things.
Moving lights and or deactivating them to see if the lines stay or disappear.
Also try to increase the quality of the alpha hair cards, via temporal antialiasing(TXAA). trying alpha blending, try on/off dithering...
@almighty_gir Meep!
If you want to change between the different anti aliasing types go to:
*PostProcessVolume - Misc - AA method:
I suppose that using the console always unlocks more possibilities(like Cryengine does).
@adrxzero
Thanks! It would be awesome if more people knows and can implement this workflow into Marmoset/Unreal/Cryengine/Unity and other engines to achieve a much finer details at a fraction of the original texture resolution as well as reducing a lot of sculpting time.
It´s a great timesaver!
Feel free to leave any feedback!