[3DS Max] Overlapping vertices

Filip5

Hey guys, for some odd reason,X-view inside Max is showing me 1000 vertices as overlapping. I tired welding them with tolerance 0,01 but nothing happened. I also clicked and moved them around, just to check where others are, but there are none. Still, max shows them as green. Any idea how to fix that ?

poopipe

Could be a scale/X form  thing. Is the object very tiny? 

Filip5

No, it is a medieval wall

Eric Chadwick

I suspect your model has non-manifold topology. Convert to Editable Mesh, then try again. Also use the utility Reset Xform, then Collapse the modifier stack.

spacefrog

have you tried using  "Collapse" on the three vertices  ?

Filip5

spacefrog said:

have you tried using  "Collapse" on the three vertices  ?

Those vertices are fine at positions they are. I don't want to collapse them. I'll try what Eric sugested.

spacefrog

oh - i thought because of the welding effort you mention above.
But could it be that you unintentionally duplicated your polies in sub object mode ? Like having a element selected and click move while holding shift ? Those vertices would'nt weld, because the belong the seperated elements....

Vailias

Just have to ask for completeness sake: That readout is from xView. What is your overlapping vert tolerance set to? Does lowering the tolerance have an effect?

Filip5

I remodeled ad reused symmetry about 4 times. Somehow I managed remove those vertices, now I am just left with two, which can't be welded, for unknown reason. 

Noors

Because you have a zero area face in between, double edges or smthing. If you can't weld, something is wrong in your geometry.
You can add a turbosmooth, it helps to spot issues.

poopipe

You can't weld verts in an editable poly unless they're connected by an edge or both have an open edge. 

 Symmetry is entirely capable of generating shite like that. 

To diagnose...
1 turn on backface culling and look at the back side of the object in wire frame,  if you can see edges then there's your problem. 
2 marquee select each visible vert in turn and check how many are actually selected,  if it's more than one then there's your problem 
3 select edges and see how long they are,  you might need to click through -  there's a chance you'll have one that's doing something wacky. 

Practically speaking though,  on an object that simple I'd simply  delete the problem verts and reconstruct the geometry cleanly.