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What kind of artists do make all those adult-oriented CG stuff?!

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I wonder if this was discussed already. Probably a few times already. I don't know.

Maybe it's just me, but I have a feeling that those kind of...works are done overseas, from US perspective. Maybe Eastern Europe or even China. 

I don't know about the legal stuff regarding those, but I have a sneaky little suspicion that X-rated game parodies are actually using the ripped assets from the original games, modified for whatever reasons. BTW, I was wondering if this is some kind of taboo subject, but I read through the sticky threads and nothing about those came up. As long as the discussion is civil and serious, it should be OK. 

Well, career-wise...do those guy who make those stuff hide their job history for the more legitimate works? I think they should. No self-respecting CG artists will put something naughty in their resume. 

Also, I wonder if making those kind of stuff is considered some kind of career deadend for the artists. Or even a career suicide.

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  • JordanN
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    From what I gathered (uhhhh, "research") some of those people are hobbyists. They definitely used ripped assets from games and tweak them. But, from what I heard from other people, there are more serious hobbyists who have re-created entire game or CG models for those purposes.

    Speaking personally, I wouldn't judge someone for doing that. That's their business and it has no effect on me. I've once come across a blog for someone who made "adult" content, but they actually provided a lot of in depth anatomy tips and tutorials so they're not amateurs.

    As for a dead end or career suicide, well some of them get by using those patreon or crowdfunding sites. Or they just make money off doing commission/freelance art. Some of them are famous enough and don't really care and they got jobs in the industry.
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  • Aabel
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    ambelamba
    Also, I wonder if making those kind of stuff is considered some kind of career deadend for the artists. Or even a career suicide.
    Quite the opposite. The content producers for the 'adult' market make more money than they would  at a game studio. 
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    Aabel said:
    ambelamba
    Also, I wonder if making those kind of stuff is considered some kind of career deadend for the artists. Or even a career suicide.
    Quite the opposite. The content producers for the 'adult' market make more money than they would  at a game studio. 
    Really? Actually I had a suspicion that they do make a lot.
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    Somehow I get drawn into sleazy sides of many industries... :) It's kinda like some average Joe getting addicted to COPS or any reality shows. Unhealthy, I know...
  • AtticusMars
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    Aabel said:
    ambelamba
    Also, I wonder if making those kind of stuff is considered some kind of career deadend for the artists. Or even a career suicide.
    Quite the opposite. The content producers for the 'adult' market make more money than they would  at a game studio. 
    Proof?
  • Zack Maxwell
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    Aabel said:
    ambelamba
    Also, I wonder if making those kind of stuff is considered some kind of career deadend for the artists. Or even a career suicide.
    Quite the opposite. The content producers for the 'adult' market make more money than they would  at a game studio. 
    Proof?
    I don't know if they make more than someone in a studio, but as far as freelancers making commissioned art, people who make adult stuff generally make substantially more. A lot of people don't do it because of A ) societal taboos or personal morality, and B ) they get asked regularly to make some stuff that would rend apart your sanity so thoroughly it would put C'thulu to shame. Drawing genitals is the absolute least of your concerns in that field.
    I don't have any sources either, though. I only know this because, being a very monetarily driven person with a relatively small amount of shame, I once did a bunch of research on it after hearing how much they can make.
    In the end, I decided that my psyche would not be able to withstand daily sculpts of... the kind of commission requests you get...
  • AtticusMars
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    I don't doubt that, but you can't really compare what artists earn working for individuals commissioning work for their own personal enjoyment (what you are describing) vs. a business paying you as part of an investment for a product intended to be delivered to mass market. Doing the former you aren't likely to even scrape by a decent living, lovecraftian porn or not. Which is why the most successful artists try to move to outlets like Patreon where they can serve a larger market with less customized work.

    The highest earning 3D artist I could find on Patreon was earning $42k a year making gay muscle fetish art. That's well below average for a character artist in the game industry and that's ignoring the fact that they are an outlier, the vast majority of artists on Patreon are earning a solid $0.

    The only avenue that leaves is working on commercial adult games, and I'm going to need to see a data source on that to believe it pays better than working in a traditional game studio.
  • Shrike
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    ambelamba said:
    No self-respecting CG artists will put something naughty in their resume. 
    Woah there with the high horse man. There are tons of very talented artists, and I'm sure many of them can live off their work and are not required to look for a job.

     From what Ive seen, there is most likely a big niche for 3D CGI and im sure a talented character artist + animator can make a lot of money considering the low quality of concurrence work floating around
  • R3D
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    The only avenue that leaves is working on commercial adult games, and I'm going to need to see a data source on that to believe it pays better than working in a traditional game studio.
    There's also freelanced private works.

    I don't iamgine there is a lot of money in adult games per se (atleast from what I can tell). But there is definitely a handful of avenues for artists to make some money doing X-Rated art.

    3D animation and 2D pinups are the most popular, based on patreon anyways. Although I could imagine a modeled/rigged character for SFM could be a decent revenue source to the right buyer.

    $7500/m ($90,000/y) https://www.patreon.com/UnidentifiedSFM

    $30,000-$60,000/m ($360,000-$720,000/y) https://www.patreon.com/sakimichan
  • slipsius
    I know people who put themselves through college by making porn for second life.  

    Also, it's not just adult companies, per se. My first real animation task while working on Dragon Age was a sex scene. Cleaning up the mocap was, whatever. It's just the job. If you don't make it awkward, it's not. 
  • Aabel
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    The highest earning 3D artist I could find on Patreon was earning $42k a year making gay muscle fetish art. That's well below average for a character artist in the game industry and that's ignoring the fact that they are an outlier, the vast majority of artists on Patreon are earning a solid $0.

    The only avenue that leaves is working on commercial adult games, and I'm going to need to see a data source on that to believe it pays better than working in a traditional game studio.
    Patreon is the outskirts. There are also other avenues than adult games as well. If you're really interested, keep digging, you will find an industry far larger than patreon.
  • pangaea
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    If youAtticusMars said:
    I don't doubt that, but you can't really compare what artists earn working for individuals commissioning work for their own personal enjoyment (what you are describing) vs. a business paying you as part of an investment for a product intended to be delivered to mass market. Doing the former you aren't likely to even scrape by a decent living, lovecraftian porn or not. Which is why the most successful artists try to move to outlets like Patreon where they can serve a larger market with less customized work.

    The highest earning 3D artist I could find on Patreon was earning $42k a year making gay muscle fetish art. That's well below average for a character artist in the game industry and that's ignoring the fact that they are an outlier, the vast majority of artists on Patreon are earning a solid $0.

    The only avenue that leaves is working on commercial adult games, and I'm going to need to see a data source on that to believe it pays better than working in a traditional game studio.


    https://www.patreon.com/monstergirlisland
    230k a year. Even if Patreon takes half, he is still making more than what most people can even dream to make in a year.
  • AtticusMars
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    R3D said:
    The only avenue that leaves is working on commercial adult games, and I'm going to need to see a data source on that to believe it pays better than working in a traditional game studio.
    There's also freelanced private works.

    I don't iamgine there is a lot of money in adult games per se (atleast from what I can tell). But there is definitely a handful of avenues for artists to make some money doing X-Rated art.

    3D animation and 2D pinups are the most popular, based on patreon anyways. Although I could imagine a modeled/rigged character for SFM could be a decent revenue source to the right buyer.

    $7500/m ($90,000/y) https://www.patreon.com/UnidentifiedSFM

    $30,000-$60,000/m ($360,000-$720,000/y) https://www.patreon.com/sakimichan
    Knew I shouldn't have referenced specific artists. Sakimichan doesn't make 3D art. 2D art is infinitely more popular and even then these people are the exceptions not the rule.

    If the argument is merely that it is possible to make more than you would in the game industry then that is obviously true. I doubt anyone cares about outliers.


  • ambelamba
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    Shrike said:
    ambelamba said:
    No self-respecting CG artists will put something naughty in their resume. 
    Woah there with the high horse man. There are tons of very talented artists, and I'm sure many of them can live off their work and are not required to look for a job.

     From what Ive seen, there is most likely a big niche for 3D CGI and im sure a talented character artist + animator can make a lot of money considering the low quality of concurrence work floating around
     Umm...no. That was an advice I heard from a pro. He told me that any adult-oriented works should be left out of the resume.
  • Zack Maxwell
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    slipsius said:
    I know people who put themselves through college by making porn for second life.  

    Also, it's not just adult companies, per se. My first real animation task while working on Dragon Age was a sex scene. Cleaning up the mocap was, whatever. It's just the job. If you don't make it awkward, it's not. 
    Mocap! Oh, God help me  :D It never even occurred to me that they might have done it that way.
    Now I'm picturing two people in those hilarious suits dry-humping...
  • RN
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    Aabel said:
    Patreon is the outskirts. There are also other avenues than adult games as well. If you're really interested, keep digging, you will find an industry far larger than patreon.
    What other venues?

    By the way, Patreon uses Paypal or Payoneer to send you money and both these services don't allow adult-oriented stuff (something to do with it being at a "high fraud risk"), so you could say that everyone using Patreon for this stuff is walking on thin ice.
  • Mithdia
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    RN said:
    Aabel said:
    Patreon is the outskirts. There are also other avenues than adult games as well. If you're really interested, keep digging, you will find an industry far larger than patreon.
    What other venues?

    By the way, Patreon uses Paypal or Payoneer to send you money and both these services don't allow adult-oriented stuff (something to do with it being at a "high fraud risk"), so you could say that everyone using Patreon for this stuff is walking on thin ice.
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/patreon-paypal-adult-content Since Patreon allows it I'm pretty sure they have a deal with PayPal regarding it.
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