Shiro From Voltron

jose.fuentes

I am making a version of Shiro from Voltron Legendary Defender, in this case it would be based of Hiroyuki Sanada 



This is what I have so far, but I can quite get the guy to look as if he is asian. While I am not going for 100% likeness, I'd like to get the models features to resemble Hiroyuki.  Anyone care to give me some drawovers on how they feel I can get my model to be more similar to my references?

I feel like I cant quite capture asian style eyes



Thanks!

jose.fuentes

thanks for the feedback

jose.fuentes

I'm also facing some issues with the following, anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

jose.fuentes

made some progress 

Brian "Panda" Choi

Whoa, now his face doesn't look like either the actor or the character.  Are you committing to a different direction?

Ged

that face doesnt really look connected to the skull beneath it, check your head shape by overlaying a skull in the side view and front view. He seems like someone in his early 20s in the cartoon, if you could use that actor as reference but seriously make him seem younger and more fun looking perhaps that would work.

jose.fuentes

@Brian

im not going for 100% likeness of the actor or the character, if anything its just my take on what Shiro would look like as a real person 

@Ged

thanks for the feedback, ill dbl check 

jose.fuentes

The more i work on it the more its becoming a loose interpretation but I'm generally happy with the progress, still a long way to go 

jose.fuentes

spent some time sculpting the hands a bit, any crits before i move on to adding the creases in the fingers?  hows the basic shape look?

jose.fuentes

Spent a little bit more time refining the boot.  Ran into some issues trying to do the sole, will rework it next time i work on it.  Also need to figure out something to make the back a little more interesting 

Maxilator

jose.fuentes said:

spent some time sculpting the hands a bit, any crits before i move on to adding the creases in the fingers?  hows the basic shape look?

The fingers look extremely thin and short compared to the rest of the hand.

jose.fuentes

since that last post I have made them thicker on the sides and less bulbous on around the joints 

Brian "Panda" Choi

Why is the shoe so symmetrical?  It doesn't seem to account for the larger feet planes.

jose.fuentes

Brian "Panda" Choi said:

Why is the shoe so symmetrical?  It doesn't seem to account for the larger feet planes.

I have not gotten to breaking symmetry yet, I'm going to get the over all forms down and when i bring it in then ill shape it a bit more 

slosh

jose.fuentes said:

Brian "Panda" Choi said:

Why is the shoe so symmetrical?  It doesn't seem to account for the larger feet planes.

I have not gotten to breaking symmetry yet, I'm going to get the over all forms down and when i bring it in then ill shape it a bit more 

He doesn't mean the right foot to the left foot symmetry.  He means the outside of the foot vs the inside of the foot.  A foot has a very distinct shape and your boot is perfectly straight.  I would also take a step back and do an overall anatomy pass.  Something I do with any character I work on is a full anatomy sculpt every time for practice.  You should definitely do this to make sure your proportions and anatomy are sound before moving onto clothes that would fit on top of that.  The face still needs a lot of anatomy work as well.  Pay attention to key forms in the face...esp plane changes.  Aligning a realistic skull is a great place to start.  Get reference on muscle structure of an average male both head and body to get an idea of muscle flow over the skeleton  and skull.  I would noodle a nude sculpt til it was correct before moving onto clothes.  You will be much happier in the end...

jose.fuentes

Thanks @slosh do you have examples of what you mean about the outside vs inside of the foot?

jose.fuentes

was able to spend more time this week on some more of the forms

jose.fuentes

Rhesa_j

jose.fuentes said:

Thanks @slosh do you have examples of what you mean about the outside vs inside of the foot?

try to look at one of your own feet. You will see that your feet is not symetrical. There is a curve in your feet. Is that shoes based on astronaut shoes? it seems very big and it doesn't really suit his clothes in my opinion. Btw i think your sculpt looks really old. It looks like someone in their 40s or 50s while shiro is probably around 20 or 30 years old.

jose.fuentes

Rhesa said:

jose.fuentes said:

Thanks @slosh do you have examples of what you mean about the outside vs inside of the foot?

try to look at one of your own feet. You will see that your feet is not symetrical. There is a curve in your feet. Is that shoes based on astronaut shoes? it seems very big and it doesn't really suit his clothes in my opinion. Btw i think your sculpt looks really old. It looks like someone in their 40s or 50s while shiro is probably around 20 or 30 years old.

It supposed to be an older version.  I guess Shiro and Hiroyuki Sanada where starting points, but it has evolved into something else.  

Steve Schulze

He kinda looks like what they might get if the Netflix Voltron did a crossover episode where the current Voltron crew met the original one from Voltron Lion Force. Maybe Keith, 30 or so years after he last captained the big stompy robot.

jose.fuentes

I brought in a skull into my file so I could use it as reference for my forms on the face, spent a couple of hours on it.  Any Crits?  I think I'll be moving onto some tertiary details in a week or so 

Brian "Panda" Choi

Your sternocleidoid muscle line doesn't seem to exist.  It's not making a clean line from the clavicle to the bottom of the ear.

jose.fuentes

Brian "Panda" Choi said:

Your sternocleidoid muscle line doesn't seem to exist.  It's not making a clean line from the clavicle to the bottom of the ear.

Good point! Ill bring that back out.  Is anything else sticking out as odd to you?

Fuiosg

The cheekbones seem excessively pronounced to me, also it feels like the eye cavities aren't "wrapping" around the skull enough, they seem too front facing.

jose.fuentes

Fuiosg said:

The cheekbones seem excessively pronounced to me, also it feels like the eye cavities aren't "wrapping" around the skull enough, they seem too front facing.

Thanks!  Ill take another stab at it tonight!

jose.fuentes

Reworked some of the face  a bit and added some tertiary details, will move on to mari next to get some texture XYZ displacements.

jose.fuentes

Getting close to being able to retopo this guy 

jose.fuentes

Im triyng to finish this model, while not perfect, I'd like to finish it and take what I learned from this process, and then do it all over again :pleased:

Heres some detailing on one of the hands 

jose.fuentes

The pieces in red were created entirely inside zbrush, they have no UV's.  Im getting ready to export my mesh that I will be using as my High Poly for when I bake down to the low poly.

What is the normal workflow for UV'ing the meshes made entirely in zbrush, so I can export to use as my high poly?

Tomtegubbe

You retopologize them in a program like topogun, then you unwrap the low res model in a program of your choice, zbrush can do it. Then you export the high res model and the retopologized model into xnormal to bake out a normal map and other maps you might want to use.

If topology isn't important you can decimate the model in zbrush.

Ged

You only need uvs on the lowpoly not the highpoly. Unless you are planning on texturing the highpoly. 

personally I only usually need to put uvs on the lowpoly that I create using any retopo tools eg  3dcoat, 3dsmax, maya, topogun etc all have ways to retopologise geometry. 

jose.fuentes

I was able to spend some time retopo'ing the upper body 
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jose.fuentes

I am at a point with the body, where I am ready to move forward to the face, and then its back to zbrush to project the details on to the mesh.  Current polycount is just shy of 10K

jose.fuentes

I finished my retopo in Maya, and instead of projecting i decided to take a second stab at the face.  I feel like I'm at a good blocking point.  Anything stand out as odd to any of you guys?

jose.fuentes

The fingers create a gap where the UV islands are when i divide the mesh in ZBrush.  The verts are definitely merged in Maya, so I am not sure what is causing this.  When i try to divide with smooth off, the seems still come back when i start sculpting.  Any ideas on how to fix this?

Ged

not exactly a fix but may I ask why you need uvs at all in zbrush? arent you going to bake your highpoly to a lowpoly anyway?