Overwatch Fan Art - Tracer

GeorgeCrudo

UPDATED VERSION: Here's the most recent updated version
High Res:


Check the Artstation page to see all the final renders  



Low Res:




Original Post -

Hey guys!
I wanted to share with you my Overwatch fan art






I created Tracer entirely in Zbrush. She's super high poly at the moment but I'm planning to do retopology, UV Mapping and reprojecting the details back down.

I would really love all critiques as well as advice for what you guys would recommend for retopologizing from a high res mesh in Zbrush. I'm not too familiar with the best approaches when starting with a high res Zbrush sculpt. I spent tonight fiddling with Zremesher, the Topology Brush, and ZModeler. I also considered popping open Maya as well. I was curious what you guys would recommend.

Brian "Panda" Choi

@Vaztor : My first instinct is to immediately compare this to the existing game model, and right now I'm seeing medium-size differences between that and yours here.  Was the intention to do one-to-one recreation, or was there a specific spin you were doing to this fan piece?  If it's the former, I recommend just downloading, exporting, and looking at the actual in-game model.  You can find it on SFMLabs.

You can retopologize in either Zbrush or Maya (versions with the modeling toolkit).  Zbrush is usually more of a hastle in my experience. Maya has decent retopology tools.

I personally use 3Dcoat.  Has a better suite of tools, easier to use.  Quickly define edge seams, relax brush, etc.

GeorgeCrudo

Brian -  I was generally going for a one-to-one recreation. What are the biggest differences that jump out at you? I know some of the proportions are a bit different than the in game character. I struggled a lot with the face and I'm actually thinking about improving the hair some how as well.

Thanks for the feed back and the advice! Yeah the Zbrush tools didn't feel particularly great in my experience. In that case I'll definitely give Maya and 3D Coat a shot this weekend!

Brian "Panda" Choi

Face, Hair, Arm proportions, shoe shape/silhoutte.

Go to SFM Lab, download the Overwatch characters from it, rip it via a SFM model loader, and make the fixes relative to the real game assets.

GeorgeCrudo

I pulled in the in-game Tracer model to compare. I'm going back and reblocking elements of the face and hair and I'm gonna look at overall proportions as well. I'm still having a lot of trouble with the face. Here's some comparison shots. I've been staring at the head shape and fiddling it with for so long that a fresh pair of eyes would really be appreciated

GeorgeCrudo

I'm going to come back to the head but for now I went through and made some proportion changes for the rest of the body compared to the original game model. It's not totally identical but let me know if you guys see anything that looks really off. Same goes for the head post above as that's the part I'm much more uncertain about.

Brian "Panda" Choi

The back of the cranium is much longer than what the game model has.

slosh

I would say her proportions are still off...her arms are far too long.  The head shape is very long from the profile as well.  The top portion of the skull should resemble a tilted egg shape from the profile.  I did a quick paintover.  If you look the original mesh, you can see where I drew in the egg shape of what the skull shape is on average.  Also, the green lines at the front of the head show the approximate skull outlines.  I also sketched out what the eye shape from the profile should look like from the upper lid slanting down to the lower lid.  I put my sketched lines on your head and you can see the clear discrepancies in your proportioning and locations of your facial landmarks being off.  It's not a perfect representation but it should give you an idea of how to fix some of your issues from the profile.  One thing to also keep in mind is the zygomatic arch should be the widest points of the face from the front.

GeorgeCrudo

@slosh and Brian Thanks for the detailed feedback! I really appreciate you guys taking the time to help me
I went in and basically redid the whole head shape to get it into a better form. I had a bit of trouble with the forehead area and trying not to make it look too "Cone-Headed". Still looks weird to me from the front. My guess is the side of the head and ears need to be pulled in a bit more?




 I think looking at it now I also still have to bring the jawline in a bit (in relation to what you said about the Zygomatic Arch) and the cheeks and chin still need some work as well.

PyrZern

GeorgeCrudo

@PyrZern

Thanks for the tip! I had a 30 minute break at work today and tried to improve that shape as well as the shape of forehead.

GeorgeCrudo

Here's another update. I'm still shaping out the head and hair. I think I got the arms proportions correctly this time and I also went in and did some tweaks to the legs and hips as well.

GeorgeCrudo

Here's some new Keyshot renders I did. I think I'm going to move onto the retopo part now.

Blade113

nice job

GeorgeCrudo

@Blade113 Thank you!

I went in and made some more adjustments. I also experimented with facial expressions and posing The plan is to have a full body pose for the final version!

GeorgeCrudo

I went back in to make some more adjustments to the face. Updated the eyebrows, tweaked the structure of the nose, mouth and jawline. Also made the freckles a bit more prominent. Still have a few more fixes I want to do and then I think she's done The bottom image is the old face for comparison.

Agilethief

It's pretty cool man, you've come a long way and I appreciate you posting your progress shots. I've learned from the feedback you've been given too xD

I think the nose ended a little too upturned and maybe could have been a little wider. 

The shots of her in motion look great btw.

GeorgeCrudo

@Agilethief
Thanks! I'm glad the progress and feedback can help you. It certainly has helped me haha
Oh thanks for the feedback! Okay I will double check it with the game model again. Looking at the nose over the past day it definitely needs to be a bit wider. Same with the chin as well.
And I'm glad you liked it! The final version will be fully posed I'm excited for that part!

Magihat

I like where you are going with this. I am not sure about the hair though. It is very noisy right now and if you are going for the same as the game itself then they should be pretty much plain while letting the flow and spectacular maps do their thing. Other than that I don't have much to add - keep up the good work!

GeorgeCrudo

@Magihat
Yeah a few others have mentioned the hair and recommended going with a more planar look for it. I definitely see the reasoning for that and I was actually experimenting with it last night. I'm a bit torn cause I like how crisp and polished the planar one looks but I like the flow of the noisy version a bit better. So I'm currently working on cleaning up the noisy one to look less messy and polishing it a bit more. When I retopologize this and make the low poly hair I will definitely make planar and closer to the game model

GeorgeCrudo

Alright I'm officially calling the head done. It's not perfect but otherwise I would be tweaking this forever haha. I'm relatively happy with where its at. Now I'm finally going to focus on posing

gfelton

Head looks great, looking forward to your final pose!

GeorgeCrudo

@gfelton - Thank you!
Here's a sneak peak

GeorgeCrudo

Final pose is completed  

eagle277

wow very nice work, i like it

GeorgeCrudo

@eagle277
Thanks so much Glad you like it!

GeorgeCrudo

Hey everyone I don't have any new work to share here yet however I have got this model ready to start doing retopology for a low resolution version. Planning to get it into a "game-ready" state and get it into Marmoset

Brian "Panda" Choi

I want that threading on the leggings' thighs as separate meshes in the HP.  It looks muddy admittedly.

GeorgeCrudo

Brian "Panda" Choi said:

I want that threading on the leggings' thighs as separate meshes in the HP.  It looks muddy admittedly.

Thanks for the feedback Panda I will be going through and polishing elements of the high poly as I do retopology. Mainly cause I think having a clean mesh for things like the leg straps will make them more crisp. So I will also make that change in the process

GeorgeCrudo

Finally got through retopologizing, setting up UV's and baking Still in the process of doing some touch up to the textures in Substance Painter. It's really rough right now but I got something super basic into Marmoset. Still pretty new to Substance and Marmoset so this will be a fun learning experience
Oh and I do know some areas aren't as low poly as they could be (mainly that chest core) but I'm alright with that lol.

GeorgeCrudo

Here's a slightly better looking update. Still needs a lot more texturing touch up in some areas and some better material and lighting work in Marmoset. I also still have to add the little glowing blue rings and do some hair texturing with some alpha on the tips.

Does anyone have any advice for the skin? My skin color always seems to come in a bit more saturated than the rest (as shown in the previous image) and this is just the result of me messing a bit with the skin shader.

Also I posted the Marmoset Viewer on here if anybody would like to see more
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/0ZL9Y

GeorgeCrudo

More tweaks in Marmoset Also finally got around to painting the hair in Substance Painter. I'm probably gonna tweak the tip alphas a bit more cause I'm not totally satisfied with them. 
The updated Marmoset Viewer can be seen here:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/m0K1Z

GeorgeCrudo

Made a few more final tweaks I think I'm finally going to call Tracer done so I can focus on some other projects.

Thanks for all your help guys!
Artstation for more renders and Marmoset Viewer