Ninja Girl [Finished] : Trepan's WorkThread
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Hello every one ! Welcome to my 1rst work thread 
I'm a 22Yo French dude, and I'll be posting my current 3D WIP and finished projects in here, as frequently as I can.
I am very interested if you have any feedback, advices, 3D/2D tips, or if you just tell me what do you think of my work in general !
LET'S GO !
CURRENTLY HERE :
My current project is to create this character in 3D (Game-ready) :
This is NOT my concept. (Original concept by Aleksey Bayura)
I'm going to try and achieve a "semi-realistic" look to her.
Here is my current WIP :
Currently trying to get the proportions and anatomy (not to detailed since it's going to get covered with cloths)
Absolutly hate here face right now, very rough and ugly. I was working with perspective not activated for while and did not notice... F** me ! ^^
Next steps : Define a little more the body, and completly change the face.
I'm a 22Yo French dude, and I'll be posting my current 3D WIP and finished projects in here, as frequently as I can.
I am very interested if you have any feedback, advices, 3D/2D tips, or if you just tell me what do you think of my work in general !
LET'S GO !
CURRENTLY HERE :
3D MARMOSET VIEWER HERE : https://www.artstation.com/embed/2955964
My current project is to create this character in 3D (Game-ready) :
This is NOT my concept. (Original concept by Aleksey Bayura)
I'm going to try and achieve a "semi-realistic" look to her.
Here is my current WIP :
Currently trying to get the proportions and anatomy (not to detailed since it's going to get covered with cloths)
Absolutly hate here face right now, very rough and ugly. I was working with perspective not activated for while and did not notice... F** me ! ^^
Next steps : Define a little more the body, and completly change the face.
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I did some polish on the body, and started a new head, still not completly happy with it... I'm really having some trouble getting it right ^^'
Some pieces of her armor blocked out.
A paint Over would be very much appreciated indeed, but I completly understand if you don't have the time ^^
I'll try to look into the stomach/ribs problem when I'll resume my work on her !
Here is an update on my Yumiko !
Still very WIP, I've testing blocking the big shapes to test the readibility of the character, as well as some very rough color tests. Tell me what you think !
Still not happy at all with the face... but it's "better" than before at least ^^'
Still a lot of pieces to clean up, and add details. Then I'll have to start doing the hair with planes for realtime... I have no idea how I'll do it
I've seen your work on the Abandoned Kitchen , amazing so far dude !
Do you plan to have renders of her without the helmet on? A lot of the anatomy problems you mentioned previously won't hurt too much, if they're covered up. Keep up the good work!
-Shorten lower leg
-Shorten foot
-Add more booty
-The area above the knee needs to be more round and fleshy
-Fatten up the arms and add more curvature to the forearm
-Puff up the hood that's part of the armor
-Widen the neck
-Soften up the six pack showing through the armor
Now you are pretty far along and some of these may be too intrusive, so just keep them in mind if you don't want to backtrack.
I was initialy planning to do the version of her WITHOUT the Helmet on, but I realised I liked it a lot so I decided to add the helmet.
Here is the design with the helmet :
Right now, I don't think i'll make some renders of her without the helmet, just because it would require me to do 2 versions of her hair (One normal, and a second one with all the hair tied up behind)
But if I have the motivation and the time, I'll probably do it
I'll keep the good work ! That's again !
Hey AgelosAp !
I would like to thank you SO MUCH for that help, definitly some good thoughts ! Really really ty for your time, I'll make as many changes as possible !
I agree and disagree one some of your thoughts tough, but you are mainly RIGHT my good sir !
Here is what I agree and disagree on :
First time ever at making hair for me, it's quite difficult and not so fun to do
Let me know what you think ! I'm sure there's lots to improve ^^
I'm going to retake my sculpt, to apply the modifications I talked about just before
Here is a screenshot that might help you maybe :
Baked in Xnormals for NormalMap/Opacity/Diffuse/AO
You can find a full tutorial here : http://www.3dartistonline.com/news/2015/04/how-do-i-create-real-time-hair-for-games/
You are very welcome !
@ AgelosAp
I'm also posting the changes I just made based on you critices !
I really think it's better so thanks again mate !
I don't "fully" agree with you, because I find the original concept of the mask sooo cool
But maybe I'll do a version of her without the mask !
New update today ! :
- I can finally say that I """"""" finished """"""" the sculpt. Even though I pretty sure that'll have to come back and do some modifications here and there during the retopo and texturing process
- Added hair for eyebrows / eyelashes
- Details on the arm armor piece
- Retake / modifications almost everywhere (small modif')
- Added the red ribbon for her hair
- Added some nails
SO, next step : RETOPOLOGY
I'll do the textures with Substance Painter, and final render in Marmoset I think
Retopoly DONE !
Next step : UWs ... ^^'
Today's Update :
UW's DONE
I've started playing with texture a bit, I'm really not satisfied by the result of most materials at the moment.
I really need your help/advices about finding the right color and materials for her armor. So DON'T HESITATE to give your thoughts !
It's still at a VERY WIP stage, (some bake errors to correct on the foot) , and the metal material is just a placeholder at the moment.
Here are some Substance painter Screenshots :
By the way, do I need to work with a "Reflectivity / Glossiness" or "Roughness Metalness" to get good results in Marmoset ? Or it doesn't matter ?
at the moment the textures also look very procedural, what I mean is its pretty obvious you just ran everything through the basic substance painter filters. try varying your wear and tear mor. also adding unique detail here and there helps a ton. also vary your size, have small, medium and large wear and tear to create variation and a more organic look.
one thing I like to do in Painter is cycle through my maps, especially the color and the roughness maps by pressing the C key. make sure every material is clearly readable and broken up both in the diffuse and the gloss map separately.
also, shouldn't the facemask be just normal cloth and not leather?
I completly agree with you, I'm going to continue the work on her today while keeping in mind your toughts and tips !
And yup don't worry the mask is going to be normal cloth
So after I lay out the curve tubes do I export them while still on the plane to be baked in Xnormal? and then come bake and layy them in my UV coordinates after I do my alphas in photoshop? could you give a little more explanation on how you achieved this would be great. everyone I've asked has just been unhelpful and a dbag about it giving unnecessary comments.
Texture update !
Hey Nicko
When you finished with the curves you export only the hair in one .obj and export the planes in another .obj
So you bake the HIGH obj hair on the LOW obj planes to get the alpha (with color map) , AO, etc...
So with photoshop you can use the "color map" (I just polypainted the hair as white and the planes as black) to get your alpha
And then I just painted in photoshop to create the diffuse
Hope this will help you
Secondly... I have some critiques for you. As of right now your color on her clothing is off from the concept. I don't know if that was on purpose but, if you are using a professional concept art, nail the concept art. In the concept art the clothing is more purple red while your textures are grey brown. Likewise I thought the clothing would be cloth and not leather, this is your choice as there is always some interpretation in turning concept 2d into a 3d model, but as a ninja leather (I think) would be to movement constrictive and loud.
Lastly she kind of looks like she has crazy eyes at the moment, this is because the whites of her eyes are not being shadowed by her upper eyelids. There are a few ways you can fix this. If the eyes are not going to move for your final pose, paint in the shadows on the diffuse. Or you can add a transparent shell of just a shadow that lays over the eyes simulating the shadow. Or lastly you could either turn on AO in the rendering options of what ever engine you are capturing from, or add a AO map to the eye material.
But other than that she is looking good.
And once again... CURSE YOU!!!!
Hey ^^'... Thanks for cursing me I guess.. twice !
To give you an answer :
- About the color :I agree ! It's not the same colors, but it's a personal choice to change the color a little bit, I tried with exactly the same color of the concept and didn't like it
- About the cloth/leather : I know that leather isn't the "perfect" material for ninja to use, you are completly right. But I really wanted to have at least 2 big different materials, (not only cloth with some metal here and there) and I also wanted to WORK with leather since I really need to get better at creating materials !
And finally, in my mind I "felt" like it was leather in the original concept, I don't think that the way I used leather on the concept would really bother her movements a lot. Maybe a little, but she still has a lot of light cloth ! So again, personal choice.
Overall, I really wanted to stay close to the concept, but as I kept on working on her more and more things didn't work in 3D as good as they worked in 2D
So I felt that I was "allowed" to make some personal choices, I hope it's still quite close to the original concept ^^
- About the eyes : YES, you are right
I'm planning to test if the eyes looks good in marmoset with only the AO parameters, but if it doesn't work I'll very probably paint some shadows in the eyes
Thanks for your feedback !
I hope you still think it's a good / quality work, because right now I kinda feel like you are very disapointed in my 3D interpretation of the character
If you really wanted to create this character you can still do it, I don't mind you know ^^'
Here are the latest Marmoset lighting, I've made a LOT a little changes and bug fixes... ^^'
I really really hope you'll like it !
Thanks to everyone who helped me during the progress
I'll post some breakdown and the marmoset viewer soon
maybe you could ad a rim light if you want a better read?
Thanks lotet
Yeah, I should probably change the ground texture, you are right
About the rim light, I was trying to find a lighting that looks "good" on every angle for the 3D viewer you know
But for the beauty shot, you are right I should've done a different lighting, I'll maybe change it later, I'm so tired now ^^
Here is some new stuff to check out :
Beauty shot :
Here are some breakdowns, but again : You can see everything on my artstation.
Congrats on finishing!
Thanks a lot lotet !
And also thank you for commenting ^^, I'm feeling very lonely in this post, no one seems to comment anything
I look forward to your next model.
Im working on a ninja character myself atm, so I felt your work was quite relevant to what Im doing too =P
Thank you so much dude !! Means a lot to me
When I'll start my next project don't worry I'll create another workthread !
@lotet
Have you arldeady started a workthread about your new Ninja Character ?
About the image, it's super funny ! ^^ It's the 1rst time I see it :P
But... It means that everybody feel like my work is either weird or very wrong ^^'
link to my Ninja thread if your interested: http://polycount.com/discussion/172679/stylized-ninja-character
I'm alright with "pretty good" ! ^^
I've seen your work mate, it's very cool I like it a lot ! Also very nice render and presentation of your work ! Keep it up