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  • ghaztehschmexeh
    You will also ruin every other aspect of your life. For example, you can't socialise because you need to nap at inappropriate times (and if you don't nap, you will undo it all and your net gain will be negative). You will live a lonely existence. For a while, when I was unemployed, I was sleeping during the day and working on art at night. It got to the point where I was listening to recordings of coffee shop ambient sounds for human contact. So yeah, don't fuck with your sleeping.
  • Joao Sapiro
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    Grandma wrote: »
    as in a art project? im working on a roof mounted turret

    so, instead of trying "to do a 30 day Polyphasic Sleep 'challenge' just to improve myself as artist. " , post that in pimping and previews and listen to feedback , keep working on it etc...
  • Francois_K
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    Don't think you'll be able to work all day everyday because you have more time due to your voodoo sleep pattern.

    If you do this a lot of the time , you'll burn out at the speed of light and then you'll hate art
  • Neox
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    not a single thread of yours shows any finished piece, i doubt the lack of time is what stops you from finishing anything but starting new projects every now and then. Just do something, from start to finish. Almost everything i see are merely sketches.

    As Popol said, you will not learn this by trying to cut corners, you need to learn the basics and it will take time and you will need to rest, to get your muscles get used to the movements and your brain get used to the thoughtprocess. There is no secret to getting better, you can only do it by repetition. Finish something, review, learn, apply, move on, repeat.
  • Mstankow
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    I would encourage getting 7 hours of sleep a night instead. I was always more productive getting plenty of sleep and often did better than trying to perform an all nighter. I would also suggest limited the number of hours you do work in a day and never go past 8 hours. Productivity is lost there too.

    It was mentioned before, but the idea of polyphasic sleep came around before more recent discoveries of sleep and seems to be counter productive to the point of sleep. (AKA Brain Cleaning.)
  • Deathstick
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    Just a side note, I'm guessing if you had to drive your car on a 2 hour sleep schedule it might probably be hazardous as fuuuuck. Cause you know' food and stuff.

    Spacial awareness is important and I have a feeling your reaction times and alertness will decrease with that kind of sleep schedule, judging from people who said they've done it before and how they get a paralysis/zombie feeling.
  • SideEffect
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    You don't truly appreciate sleep until you physically can't.
    You're going to do whatever but try keeping in mind that sleeping habits are a dangerous thing to mess with.
    Tread lightly

    I don't want to talk about it in detail but I've had an experience where I couldn't sleep for 2 weeks and had to see a doctor eventually.
    Like others said, losing touch with reality is a very real thing. It's even more dangerous when you've felt confidence in your own stability most of your life.

    There is absolutely nothing that is going to help you further your art skills by doing this.
    Maybe you'll learn something about yourself and how your own mind works which can be good but that's about it.

    Your time is better spent making shit, enjoying your life, and staying healthy.
  • Segreto
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    I tried a polyphasic sleep schedule about 5 years ago and kept up with it for about 8 months. If I remember right, I did a 1.5 hr nap around midnight, then several naps throughout the day to total up about 3 hrs a sleep a day. I mostly did it just to see if I could.

    It was an interesting experience to say the least, and I learned quite a bit about my own limits. I definitely don't recommend it, especially not if you're looking to maximize efficiency and art time. It wrecks your social life, and all the time you "save" is wasted since you work/move/think slower... like a lot slower. You won't realize it while you are on the sleep schedule, because you're already half-delirious. By the time I was done with it, I was burned out creatively. Simple tasks would take 2-3x longer than they should have, and then because you're not thinking clearly (again, you don't realize the depth of this until you are off of the schedule), you end up using more time fixing mistakes.

    Honestly, you'll save more time in your day by having a proper work/life/sleep balance. Get proper sleep, refuel with leisure time, and work your ass off when its time to work. You'll get more done and won't go crazy.
  • ghaztehschmexeh
    My sleep schedule used to rotate around. Like I would sleep too long and stay up too late, to the point where I would be waking up at about midnight.

    Having a proper schedule, sleeping the correct amount (not too much, not too little) has really helped my productivity AND happiness levels.
  • WarrenM
    My sleep schedule used to be crazy ... then I got married. Steady as a rock now. :)
  • Ruz
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    I get maybe 5 hours sleep a night if i am lucky. Been doing that for maybe 20 years now
  • Grandma
    Neox wrote: »
    not a single thread of yours shows any finished piece, i doubt the lack of time is what stops you from finishing anything but starting new projects every now and then. Just do something, from start to finish. Almost everything i see are merely sketches.

    As Popol said, you will not learn this by trying to cut corners, you need to learn the basics and it will take time and you will need to rest, to get your muscles get used to the movements and your brain get used to the thoughtprocess. There is no secret to getting better, you can only do it by repetition. Finish something, review, learn, apply, move on, repeat.

    can you not assume things? just because i dont post on this fourm dosnt mean i don't complete work. i share my stuff through various group chats as im not confident with my work stranded.
    Stop trying to making it sound like i just want to do it to 'cut conners' the whole reason as i mentioned was so i could spend more time on projects. You are saying things without alot of knowledge the whole point of a polyphasic sleep cycle is so that you can get 8hours of sleep effect with just 2 because it makes you go into rem without wasting time. stop saying stuff as if im a child who has no clue what im on about.

    the grammar is real in this para.
  • passerby
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    Just treat your body right, eat well, sleep when tired wake up when not tired. This will get you farther than fucking with sleep cycles. This just sounds like it will net you negative effects in the the long run, while messing up your social and work life.

    Also if all you do is sleep and work that will also not work out for you. You need to experience life, and be social to improve as well. This will help you as a artists, but also help you in the future when you will need to network and meet people to find work.
  • Amsterdam Hilton Hotel
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    Grandma wrote: »
    can you not assume things? just because i dont post on this fourm dosnt mean i don't complete work. i share my stuff through various group chats as im not confident with my work stranded.
    Stop trying to making it sound like i just want to do it to 'cut conners' the whole reason as i mentioned was so i could spend more time on projects. You are saying things without alot of knowledge the whole point of a polyphasic sleep cycle is so that you can get 8hours of sleep effect with just 2 because it makes you go into rem without wasting time. stop saying stuff as if im a child who has no clue what im on about.

    the grammar is real in this para.

    Biological functions are never the root cause of a time management problem. I have never met a single person in the industry who sleeps 2 hours a day. I've met a lot of them who sleep 7 hours a day, and go to work, and they have kids, and they still do personal projects or freelance because they've made it a habit.

    Forget about confidence in your work standard, that's just an excuse, you can change your confidence way easier than you can change your sleep patterns. Do game art every day, post it, listen to any feedback you can get. That's the formula that works.
  • battlecow
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    Hey there :)
    I wouldn't advise changing sleep patterns like that. First of all there is absolutely no scientific evidence of benefits of polyphasic sleep, just some blogs with internet testimonials, and we all know how trustworthy those are. Furthermore there is NO evidence that leornao da vinci or some other historical figure was an adept of polyphasic sleep just like there is no evidence of canabis oil curing cancer ( appart from the " I know I guy that knows a guy evidence).

    The human body has evolved around the day and night cycles, all our internal biology is fine tuned to work according to these cycles. non "REM" sleep is important, there's a reason why sleep has different stages. Sleep is a time our body uses to regenerate and clean itself. Never noticed how you go to sleep mode when you're sick? Messing with sleep patterns will also mess with hormones/chemicals in your body , like the cortison peek in the morning after sleep. All the chemistry in your body depends on a good night sleep.

    If you lack energy I suggest daily training like running ,a good diet without industrial sugar and going to bed not too late. This will ensure you have an efficient and short sleep (staying up late, eating shit and not exercising tend to make you oversleep) and plenty energy to fuel your creativity.

    I guess your are in your early twenties, it's a time where you shouldnt mess with your natural biological needs.
    Most of the time people should cut on TV/video games and not sleep :D (not saying it's Ops case!)

    On a personnal note "hacking" your brain into REM sleep with polyphasic sleep sounds like new age hippy bullshit and ignores most of the real science behind what sleep is, I would rename it : how to manage with chronic sleep depravation :)



    Edit : I did some research online and the only information about polyphasic sleep or uberman sleep comes from dubious self improvement sites or gurus that advocate alternative life styles in order to sell books and conferences.
  • Grandma
    battlecow wrote: »
    Hey there :)
    I wouldn't advise changing sleep patterns like that. First of all there is absolutely no scientific evidence of benefits of polyphasic sleep, just some blogs with internet testimonials, and we all know how trustworthy those are. Furthermore there is NO evidence that leornao da vinci or some other historical figure was an adept of polyphasic sleep just like there is no evidence of canabis oil curing cancer ( appart from the " I know I guy that knows a guy evidence).

    The human body has evolved around the day and night cycles, all our internal biology is fine tuned to work according to these cycles. non "REM" sleep is important, there's a reason why sleep has different stages. Sleep is a time our body uses to regenerate and clean itself. Never noticed how you go to sleep mode when you're sick? Messing with sleep patterns will also mess with hormones/chemicals in your body , like the cortison peek in the morning after sleep. All the chemistry in your body depends on a good night sleep.

    If you lack energy I suggest daily training like running ,a good diet without industrial sugar and going to bed not too late. This will ensure you have an efficient and short sleep (staying up late, eating shit and not exercising tend to make you oversleep) and plenty energy to fuel your creativity.

    I guess your are in your early twenties, it's a time where you shouldnt mess with your natural biological needs.
    Most of the time people should cut on TV/video games and not sleep :D (not saying it's Ops case!)

    On a personnal note "hacking" your brain into REM sleep with polyphasic sleep sounds like new age hippy bullshit and ignores most of the real science behind what sleep is, I would rename it : how to manage with chronic sleep depravation :)

    edit : and criticizing non native english speaker's grammar won't get you sympathy points

    i was talking about my gramma i had like no full stops :3 im not on here to hate on anyone.
    That is a very good and valid point. I have changed my diet severly because of the oversleeping thing. Appreciate the long response :-) still going to maybe try the lucid dreams.
  • battlecow
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    Oh sorry for assuming that , I shall edit my edit :)
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