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[UE4] Victorian Modular Environment

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Hello poly friends!!

This is the result of the thesis I made during this summer for the MSc 3D Computer Games Design at Staffordshire University.

First of all, I would like to link my progress thread where I got a lot of awesome feedback and there you can see how the project started

http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154805

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZoJpBAZDk0[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZoJpBAZDk0

Some screenshots to show you the project!!
























Here it is also the link to my artstation where I'm slowly uploading my other works

https://www.artstation.com/artist/carlosbermudez

Finally I would like to add that I will post the UE4 project for free too, I just need to change some lighting and maybe make a night scene.

Regards,

Carlos

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  • Ged
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    Ged interpolator
    the environment and textures/materials look good but the lighting is a bit boring, hope your new lighting is a little more dramatic :)
  • Dripz
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    Dripz vertex
    Very nice work, I would like to see a night version with some lights to make the scene more dramatic feel!
  • carlosbermudezdecastro
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    carlosbermudezdecastro polycounter lvl 3
    Yes!! Its my weakest point the lighting but I've spent a lot of hours and I can't figure it out the best light setup for the scene :S

    I will do the night version soon, problem is that windows may look a little bit dark and I can't place lights "inside" the windows to give it a dynamic look.

    Any specific recomendations about the "day" lighting? Thanks!!
  • Bladers
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    Bladers polycounter lvl 3
    Yeah everything looks amazing but the lighting. Watching the video, I wonder if you are using a dynamic setup with DFAO? It also adds a bounce of light from skylight plus free Specular Occlusion.

    https://cdn1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/269/821/large/carlos-bermudez-de-castro-muela-5.jpg?1443359529

    This picture kinda showcases it.
    The round pathway should be darker because of lack of direct light.
    It makes the lightening stand out as bland. Also the lack of shadows from objects or extruding brick or curvature of buildings. finally windows also contributes to the look and feel of lightening and your windows have a rather glossy/rough reflection. They all look the same (brightness wise) regardless of whether they are in direct light or not.

    for example:
    http://www.artofpatrickstone.com/art/pstone_alley_001.jpg

    Just my peasant pennies.
  • carlosbermudezdecastro
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    carlosbermudezdecastro polycounter lvl 3
    Bladers wrote: »
    Yeah everything looks amazing but the lighting. Watching the video, I wonder if you are using a dynamic setup with DFAO? It also adds a bounce of light from skylight plus free Specular Occlusion.

    https://cdn1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/269/821/large/carlos-bermudez-de-castro-muela-5.jpg?1443359529

    This picture kinda showcases it.
    The round pathway should be darker because of lack of direct light.
    It makes the lightening stand out as bland. Also the lack of shadows from objects or extruding brick or curvature of buildings. finally windows also contributes to the look and feel of lightening and your windows have a rather glossy/rough reflection. They all look the same (brightness wise) regardless of whether they are in direct light or not.

    for example:
    http://www.artofpatrickstone.com/art/pstone_alley_001.jpg

    Just my peasant pennies.

    Hello Bladers. Yeah, the pathway should be way darker, I think I can fix that lowering the intensity of the skylight.

    Regarding the windows, I will try to make some rough variations but one problem is that translucent materials are not affected by exponential fog in UE4 so I had to make a small trick using emissive (depending on the distance) or otherwise they were almost black and not affected by the fog.


    The lighting setup is static lighting with lighmaps baked. Here it is an explanation of the setup:


    UMSpbpv.png


    1- Main Light (sun light)

    VhivZYw.png

    2- Secondary Light, oposite direction of the main light that light everything.

    KZfQ2ct.png

    3- Skylight:

    AMYYvx0.png

    4- Lightmass settings:

    hvXThit.png

    5- Post process settings:

    aGXdT7U.png

    Thanks!
  • WadeWT
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    WadeWT polycounter lvl 6
    Is there a reason you're using translucent materials for the windows? You could probably just use a standard material. Then you can just use bump offset mapping to do some nice "lit" interiors. like dis: http://simonschreibt.de/gat/assassins-creed-3-windows/
  • Bladers
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    Bladers polycounter lvl 3
    Had a few spare minutes to play around.

    lightchange3cwu2u.png

    Here's a couple more pennies.

    I think you should pick a scene/location. It makes things easier. (this is mainly why interior lightening is easier)

    Set the sun in a location where its bridging a gap in the middle of the street.
    Atleast where its hitting some of the building in the left while the right is in the shadows.


    Reduce your skylight.
    Try enabling DFAO. Should give you nice shadows.
    Adding some bright point lights/ spotlights at the top of the buildings where the sun is hitting.

    Adding some point lights, here and there to break apart the light (where you think light should bounce to).

    Play around with volumetric cloud (end of kite demo for examples).


    TLDR:
    Add DFAO
    Reduce Skylight
    Add Point/Spotlight
    Add Volumetric
    Do a Day/Night timelapse
    ?????
    Profit / Make it on kotaku front page
  • carlosbermudezdecastro
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    carlosbermudezdecastro polycounter lvl 3
    Bladers wrote: »
    Had a few spare minutes to play around.

    lightchange3cwu2u.png

    Here's a couple more pennies.

    I think you should pick a scene/location. It makes things easier. (this is mainly why interior lightening is easier)

    Set the sun in a location where its bridging a gap in the middle of the street.
    Atleast where its hitting some of the building in the left while the right is in the shadows.


    Reduce your skylight.
    Try enabling DFAO. Should give you nice shadows.
    Adding some bright point lights/ spotlights at the top of the buildings where the sun is hitting.

    Adding some point lights, here and there to break apart the light (where you think light should bounce to).

    Play around with volumetric cloud (end of kite demo for examples).


    TLDR:
    Add DFAO
    Reduce Skylight
    Add Point/Spotlight
    Add Volumetric
    Do a Day/Night timelapse
    ?????
    Profit / Make it on kotaku front page

    Thank you very much!!

    Ok here it is the progress.

    - I reduced the skylight from 2.0 to 0.2 intensity.
    - Enabled DFAO with Occlusion Max Dist to 1500, contrast 1 and min occlusion to 0
    - Added some point lights on the gray building to light it up
    - Decreased the Ambient Cubemap from 1 to 0.2 intensity (this was lighting up the level too much)
    - Changed the sun directional light from static to movable (if I am going to do a day and night timelapse, I cant use static lighting with baked lighmaps..)
    - Changed the windows material to opaque. Problem?? Some of the windows look too black...

    I will research a little bit about volumetic clouds and the window setup from assassins creed

    fsEU4he.jpg

    zIYu5so.jpg

    I dont know, there is something about it I dont quite like and I dont know what...
  • Bladers
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    Bladers polycounter lvl 3
    looks better. but windows do need some work and would make it pop.
    Yeah it looks abit off and it may just be the windows that are killing it.. try doing some pp and also try increasing the exposure when you get a chance and see how it looks.

    Comparing it to The division windows pane at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njfj6KwEAfg#t=45s (if you have the HQ clip like i do, its even better)

    maybe use a 2d screencapture

    There is also alot of compression in the picture.
    Could you try uploading a png to a lossless site like this: http://abload.de/

    EDIT: Btw if you are not using 4.9 the reflection-capture won't work when you turn on DFAO (just seems like your materials are lacking in relectiveness). As state below, the shadows are too harsh in light. also try using Ray Traced Distance Field Soft Shadows.
  • Ged
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    Ged interpolator
    better contrast but the shadows are too dark now, can you increase the brightness of the bounced light?
  • Poinball
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    Poinball polycounter lvl 6
    Hey man, It look cool :)
    I hope you will play Assasin's creed syndicate because your style is similar ;)
  • carlosbermudezdecastro
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    carlosbermudezdecastro polycounter lvl 3
    I wasn't able to usee ablaod.de :s images were not uploaded but I found another site.

    I tweaked the exposure part of the post process

    Min exposure: 0

    bc92e94fb00c4a65305c2217bb7000fbcd69b27d

    Min exposure: 0.5

    eae27f014644fa37e5963741ed5123cdcdcffb63

    Min exposure: 1

    a7e1477f82142b24d08523aade3990e0fd6c0914


    Windows with translucent shading model, look better but really dark...

    34153befd8b181be4f8514260946951918242075
  • carlosbermudezdecastro
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    Poinball wrote: »
    Hey man, It look cool :)
    I hope you will play Assasin's creed syndicate because your style is similar ;)

    Thanks!! Yeah it was my main inspiration. I'm looking forward to play it (in fact, I was in an expo yesterday and I was trying to play it but the line was a 3h lane :( )

    Ged wrote: »
    better contrast but the shadows are too dark now, can you increase the brightness of the bounced light?

    I don't really know where that is. I think that because of using movable lights there are not light bounces generated from them :S Maybe I can increase the brightness of the shadows increasing a little bit the skylight right?
  • kunalht
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    kunalht polycounter lvl 2
    It looks great!!
  • Ged
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    Ged interpolator
    Thanks!! Yeah it was my main inspiration. I'm looking forward to play it (in fact, I was in an expo yesterday and I was trying to play it but the line was a 3h lane :( )




    I don't really know where that is. I think that because of using movable lights there are not light bounces generated from them :S Maybe I can increase the brightness of the shadows increasing a little bit the skylight right?

    Oh I see, so why use moveable lights? if you have a set sun direction you can use lightmass and get lovely global illumination.
  • carlosbermudezdecastro
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    Ged wrote: »
    Oh I see, so why use moveable lights? if you have a set sun direction you can use lightmass and get lovely global illumination.

    Yeah thats why I used until now but now I want to be able to make a day and night cycle so thats why I am using dynamic lights :D

    I bought a cool day and night blueprint in the store. It works nice but I have a problem that I can't figure it out what it is so I emailed the creator of the blueprint.

    I had a stupid error in the last pictures... They lighting was not rebuilt so the lightmaps were still there ( I thought changing the lights to dynamic would clear the lightmaps but that doesn't happend)

    Im going to try to fix that problem and start placing lights for the night (the bp turn on and off all the lights you select depending if its night or day) It also controls the fog colours.

    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQdKNuPc7s[/ame]
  • Bladers
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    Bladers polycounter lvl 3
    after furthr inspection. i see your materials are off a bit i think.
    I can't really tell which assets are metallic, cloth or wood.
    Particularly the street pole, lamb and building side.

    Heres comparison from your inspiration

    wood siding
    http://abload.de/img/ex2jqu6z.png

    building cover
    http://abload.de/img/ex35bu69.png

    water is also dark and alot more reflective.

    http://abload.de/img/ex4jku60.png

    finally your road seems to be sealing your focal point. better looking water puddles and more water puddles and maybe leaves and more paper would break apart its whiteness.
    some of your brick material also have abit of excess textile normals on it. idk if its by design or not. Plus i know you have alot of dirt everywhere. but the parts without the dirt should be more pronounced.

    like with this picture from the vr demo.
    i can make out every material type.

    http://abload.de/img/ex1i7uom.png

    just another 2 cents.
    last day of vacation so probably wont be hearing from me in a week.
  • carlosbermudezdecastro
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    carlosbermudezdecastro polycounter lvl 3
    Thanks for the feedback!! Today I got the defense of the dissertation and I successfully passed my master's degree :D

    Some updates in the illumination:


    render1.png

    render2.png

    render3.png

    And some gif's of the Day and Nigh cycle:

    Gif1.gif

    Gif2.gif
  • Ged
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    Ged interpolator
    pretty cool! congratulations on passing your masters!
  • Bladers
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    Bladers polycounter lvl 3
    congrats and it looks great!
  • jacob07777
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    jacob07777 polycounter lvl 15
    Hey man this turned out really great :) The lighting tweaks and adjustments you are making definitely help a lot. Especially this one is great http://carlosbermudezdecastro.com/Gif1.gif
    I just did a print screen grab of the gif and made a couple of tweaks to the image to increase the brightness and get a nice feel from it. Something like this.
    2015-10-20_19-44-50_zpsjg5c6gaj.jpg
    It can be really tough to capture a good shot of building especially when the lighting is head onto the building as it make the materials look very flat. So finding a nice slightly lower angle or coming more from the side of the buildings usually helps with that. I see your updates this morning looks like you got some better shots that turned out really nicely :)

    I'm glad you found the breakdown useful and really used the technique to your advantage and ended up doing your own thing with it. Congrats on passing your masters and I'm looking forward to seeing more :) Nice work again!
  • carlosbermudezdecastro
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    carlosbermudezdecastro polycounter lvl 3
    Updated the main thread with the final screenshots and cinematics :D hope you like it.
  • chomp
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    chomp null
    nice breakdown. how did you set up your window material?
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