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Maya face normals look edgy even when softened. (pics included)

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The 'pinching' and second image with wireframe.
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I used soften normals within Maya and got this result. I unlocked normals, set to face tried every option up there. Got nothing from it. This isnt the only location I got this artifact from on my model.
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  • m4dcow
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    That looks as expected with the differences of continuity with the insert. You can sort of hack around this by transferring normals from a continuous cylinder and doing some hand edits.
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  • JamieRain
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    m4dcow wrote: »
    That looks as expected with the differences of continuity with the insert. You can sort of hack around this by transferring normals from a continuous cylinder and doing some hand edits.


    I used clean up. It selected all the problem faces but the clean up effect had no effect on the area other than adding more tessellation.

    As for your reply can you give me a reference or minor explanation to how to transfer normals? Also is my problem something 'common' to address or did I do something terribly wrong while in the process of modeling the weapon?
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  • DireWolf
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    The surface continuity got broken too much, hence you see those artifacts. The only way you'll get cleaner smoothed mesh is by adding more supporting edges to help hold its form.

    I recommend you make circle with 8 or 16 sides. The edges would be spaced out more evenly and it's easier to connect to rectangular outlines as well.

    You'll need 1 more loop around your circle and probably 2 loops to the side of each circle to help the tube.

    Sorry for the horrible hand-drawn example. Just realized just now that I should have demo'd you an actual model :o

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  • JamieRain
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    DireWolf wrote: »
    The surface continuity got broken too much, hence you see those artifacts. The only way you'll get cleaner smoothed mesh is by adding more supporting edges to help hold its form.

    I recommend you make circle with 8 or 16 sides. The edges would be spaced out more evenly and it's easier to connect to rectangular outlines as well.

    You'll need 1 more loop around your circle and probably 2 loops to the side of each circle to help the tube.

    Sorry for the horrible hand-drawn example. Just realized just now that I should have demo'd you an actual model :o

    HEk8XyI.png


    That helps a lot! I'll give it a try in the morning. I supposed I went full tri-hard (lol) on perserving more polys. :x
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  • Obscura
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    Custom normals

    Check this. It will solve all of your issues.
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  • m4dcow
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    JamieRain wrote: »
    I used clean up. It selected all the problem faces but the clean up effect had no effect on the area other than adding more tessellation.

    As for your reply can you give me a reference or minor explanation to how to transfer normals? Also is my problem something 'common' to address or did I do something terribly wrong while in the process of modeling the weapon?

    I wasn't really talking about cleaning up the mesh, I was alluding to something like the thread Obscura linked.

    Incoming crappy demonstration
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  • JamieRain
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    Obscura wrote: »
    Custom normals

    Check this. It will solve all of your issues.

    This is awesome but do I have to edit every vertex one by one with the pivot tool? I think I seen an image in your thread and in 3ds Max someone just pressed three buttons and all of them switched.

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  • JamieRain
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    m4dcow wrote: »
    I wasn't really talking about cleaning up the mesh, I was alluding to something like the thread Obscura linked.

    Incoming crappy demonstration

    I want to try this but Im not finding a convert to vert option. Im in Maya2016.
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  • m4dcow
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    Ctrl + f8, you can't "unlock normal" on an edge selection is the only reason you need to do it.
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  • Bartalon
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    Bartalon polycounter lvl 12
    m4dcow wrote: »
    Ctrl + f8

    To clarify, Ctrl + F9 will convert to vertices.

    In case you didn't know JamieRain, here are some useful Maya hotkeys to speed up your selection process:

    F8: Object Mode
    F9: Vertex Mode
    F10: Edge Mode
    F11: Face Mode
    F12: UV Mode

    Pressing CTRL then one of the buttons above (other than F8 ) will convert your selection to the respective component type.

    Alternatively you can use the marking menu by holding RMB to access component selection modes, and Ctrl + RMB to access component conversion options.
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  • m4dcow
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    Bartalon wrote: »
    To clarify, Ctrl + F9 will convert to vertices.

    In case you didn't know JamieRain, here are some useful Maya hotkeys to speed up your selection process:

    F8: Object Mode
    F9: Vertex Mode
    F10: Edge Mode
    F11: Face Mode
    F12: UV Mode

    Pressing CTRL then one of the buttons above (other than F8 ) will convert your selection to the respective component type.

    Alternatively you can use the marking menu by holding RMB to access component selection modes, and Ctrl + RMB to access component conversion options.

    Ha-ha, whoops I meant ctrl+f9 of course.
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