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Rigging issue - mirror envelopes

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LeeMeredith polycounter lvl 10
Hello I'm having an issue where when I try to paste blue to green verts or even vice versa for that matter it deforms horribly.

I get this result when I move the left arm control and the right has no effect, the bones go through the skin with no affect on the mesh :-

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I've centered the pivot of the character, reset xform and reapplied the skin modifier (loaded up envelopes)

When I click on the side I've refined, it shows up enveloped correctly on both sides like this :-

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But if I click the opposite side envelope is displays no weights.

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Anyone have any advice? thanks

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