I don't know why, but your method name BAMBIENT sounds like an adjective. "Oh Muzz, your app is so bambient!" Alternative meaning "beautifully ambient" perhaps? Sorry for off-topic, it kinda got stuck in my head.
I'm in the process of putting together the tutorial material. I would rather do it right than rush it out the door, Honestly creative sheep is right i'm insane releasing this without a proper explanation video, but hell people don't seem to care and are buying it anyway.
I wasn't going to write this because I don't think it belongs in this thread...
but CreativeSheep I don't know about you but in New Zealand you can get a decent meal for $10. But I can only eat that meal once.
With this program you can use it multiple times and it has free lifetime updates.
It takes time and effort to learn how to cook that meal
It takes time and effort for Muzz to learn how to program, learn about light and learn about colour.
Except Muzz's tool has multiple uses and it can be constantly upgraded.
And yet you still want to lower an already cheap price?
well done, it looks good! Ive recommended it to a concept artist I know. He says he usually uses photos for lighting/colour reference but there will probably be times when this app would be more useful.
Dado, haha I'm just counting the days till some one else decides they want a piece of the pie and develop their own version.
The preset swatches also pretty much have that feature or do you mean a temporary toggle? Hmm that could be useful.
Sheep, ah, yeah funny thing about launch price sales is statistically they hurt profits. If you are opening a subscription service it makes sense, you want as many subscribers as possible, but for a program you get one purchase. Also that extra $2 means so much to a seller, yet it doesn't mean as much to a consumer. It's literally a 40% increase in profits over $5. But maybe I'm being too open talking about this side of things? L
Yeah I know I understood you, what I meant is having a drop down of lighting scenarios, so you just select the sterile one then switch back.
A lot of features like this it's a tossup between complexity or the more generic option. If I was going to do it I would put it on a hotkey rather than a ui item.
Muzz, don't lower your price any more than you already have. There is clearly a demand surplus in the supply/demand balance, so take advantage of that as long as you can. There is always some people out there who can't afford things, or who claims they can't. (yet they probably have an iPhone, high speed internet and eat fast food several times a week)
Denny - There are people out there who struggle trying to stretch $10 for a week. While in the same breath, some corporation needs a dozen or so million to stay afloat or there even better excuse create jobs.
Creative, the guy made a product and is selling it at a very affordable price for the majority of artists, hobby or professional. Drop it.
Muzz, looks really useful and I'll probably pick it up in the near future. One thing that would be cool is to have a sampling option, ie: you take a photo ref, eyedropper the parts you want and use it as a base to manipulate the colors and lighting. Not very important, but I could see it being a nice feature in some cases.
So Briggsy just dropped a comment letting me know he has linked my tool from huevaluechroma.com. This is one of the most validating things i have seen yet and i have a crazy amount of respect for this man's knowledge, http://www.huevaluechroma.com/101.php
Muzz - I know this; it's too late now; but you could have drawn the people in, it's done all the time, it doesn't always work, you are confident in your program, it is good, others like it you would have been as successful, if not more.
you are the ONLY person complaining. I would say about 20% of my customers are paying more and i've had multiple people pay 200% price. Now go away please.
Denny - There are people out there who struggle trying to stretch $10 for a week. While in the same breath, some corporation needs a dozen or so million to stay afloat or there even better excuse create jobs.
There is no need to present false dichotomies to bring your point forward. First, I used to be one of those people who barely stretched $10. Two, by that same logic Muzz should make the app half a dollar, because there are people around the world who live in poverty. Following the same slippery slope, Muzz should almost give the app away for free and not earn an income on his work.
Sorry Muzz for derailing your thread, but I just can't stand people lecturing me on things I already know about from personal experience.
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Bought the app for $50, enjoy a beer from me or whatever your poison might be.
Muzz: Considering I'm quite the social hermit, you should share that beer with a friend instead... or pay it forward. The likelyhood of you ever seeing me in real life is like meeting up with bigfoot.
Muzz - I know this; it's too late now; but you could have drawn the people in, it's done all the time, it doesn't always work, you are confident in your program, it is good, others like it you would have been as successful, if not more.
This implies there are people who are not buying it because it's too expensive. People that he WOULD have hooked at a few dollars less. I see a single person expressing this opinion...
Thanks for the support everyone! I'm working hard on the next version, now that i've had a bit of a celebration, and caught up on my sleep debt. (i was working so hard before releasing it i accidentally made my sleeping patten polyphasic)
I recorded a Q&A with Ahmed the other day where we talk about the program and how it works. Hopefully you can understand me properly, i was a bit muffled and Australian sounding.
Regarding the fact mentioned in the interview that monitors reconstruct images by mixing up RGB : I find the work of Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky to be highly enlightening on that subject.
Not only is it amazing to see pictures of that era in full color ; but also, there is definitely a special quality coming from them. I am not exactly sure to understand what makes them look so special, but the resulting images certainly have a raw, illustrative quality to them. Colors don't bleed, local colors remain consistent, and so on. (of course the recent pictures available online are reconstructed and cleaned up to avoid fringing, but I believe their color quality is something really unique coming from the "RGB-accurate" separation process).
Yeah pior there is something incredible about those photos. It actually makes me wonder about what sort of effects we could get if we were able to change the wavelengths that each channel could pickup on a camera, though i guess that is something that is hardwired into the CCD chips they use. Actually that is an interesting question though. Do chemical photographs actually properly represent wavelengths, or do they use the same RGB system?
Lotet haha. That's the goal man! I actually have some ideas about how to make some mobile applications for assisting colorblind traditional painters, and some good articles written about combating it, as i seem to have managed to work around it better than my colourblind art peers.
Yeah, these pictures are kind of mind boggling - and it's hard to tell if their special quality comes from the process itslef (somehow separating colors differently/more accurately than CCD sensors and color film chemicals ? Maybe ?), or if it merely comes from their anachronistic nature.
One thing I would assume is that they *might* be capturing a wider range on color information than other reproduction means, since they do not clip out useless colors that the eye is not able to see. So maybe that gives more color range to work within during the reconstruction process ?
It sure would be interesting to see a similar process applied to a current-day dslr. I might just have to get myself some colored gels today to find out
I asked my friend about it who has actually done the technique before.
"the quality of the image comes from what part of the spectrum the rgb filters let pass through and non-linear light response of a silver halide negative. also blue will have most grain and red least, because the lower end of the spectrum requires more energy to get the same amount of luminance passed through."
It's a bit esoteric, but maybe there is some knowledge to be gleaned there.
And no worries about the derailing, this is super interesting.
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Yippee!
Save dialogs are all in place and the initial feature set is in place.
Huge thanks to astrapho for letting me use this sweet image!
https://gumroad.com/l/ColorConstructor/
I can't wait to see all the cool art people make with it!
It's only been 12 hours and i'm already at 180 sales :O!!!
If you haven't thought of this, perhaps setting the picked colour HEX code into the clipboard, for easy pasting into other programs.
you should make video trailer btw, that shows the workflow and how the program is used while painting.
You want $7 for this program, man a video is needed, what an insane guy, no video and he wants $7 :-) ($5 would be better)
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here is a review that somebody else put together, which honestly is better than i could do because it isn't biased.
The link doesn't work ?
But why disparage people who do because it isn't exactly the price you would pay? Seriously?
And what link doesn't work? The youtube video is perfectly functional.
I'm not disparaging nothing, read again;
I would buy for $5
but CreativeSheep I don't know about you but in New Zealand you can get a decent meal for $10. But I can only eat that meal once.
With this program you can use it multiple times and it has free lifetime updates.
It takes time and effort to learn how to cook that meal
It takes time and effort for Muzz to learn how to program, learn about light and learn about colour.
Except Muzz's tool has multiple uses and it can be constantly upgraded.
And yet you still want to lower an already cheap price?
Dado, haha I'm just counting the days till some one else decides they want a piece of the pie and develop their own version.
The preset swatches also pretty much have that feature or do you mean a temporary toggle? Hmm that could be useful.
Sheep, ah, yeah funny thing about launch price sales is statistically they hurt profits. If you are opening a subscription service it makes sense, you want as many subscribers as possible, but for a program you get one purchase. Also that extra $2 means so much to a seller, yet it doesn't mean as much to a consumer. It's literally a 40% increase in profits over $5. But maybe I'm being too open talking about this side of things? L
Just a white light and ambient would do it.
Though I think a better idea is just separating the save files out so lighting and objects are saved individually.
A lot of features like this it's a tossup between complexity or the more generic option. If I was going to do it I would put it on a hotkey rather than a ui item.
Muzz, looks really useful and I'll probably pick it up in the near future. One thing that would be cool is to have a sampling option, ie: you take a photo ref, eyedropper the parts you want and use it as a base to manipulate the colors and lighting. Not very important, but I could see it being a nice feature in some cases.
So Briggsy just dropped a comment letting me know he has linked my tool from huevaluechroma.com. This is one of the most validating things i have seen yet and i have a crazy amount of respect for this man's knowledge,
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/101.php
Sorry Muzz for derailing your thread, but I just can't stand people lecturing me on things I already know about from personal experience.
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Bought the app for $50, enjoy a beer from me or whatever your poison might be.
Muzz this looks really awesome, I can't wait to try it out!
I'll get a case of a nice dark beer to celebrate. Though if i ever see you irl i'll have to buy a beer or two in return.
Muzz: Considering I'm quite the social hermit, you should share that beer with a friend instead... or pay it forward. The likelyhood of you ever seeing me in real life is like meeting up with bigfoot.
This implies there are people who are not buying it because it's too expensive. People that he WOULD have hooked at a few dollars less. I see a single person expressing this opinion...
Glad to see so many other people share the same feelings towards it. Keep up the good work Murry
So i got curious...
would love to add custom images into it and then to save the resulting images out.
It's awesome, and it a great example of how using it can help mesh with your existing knowledge of colour.
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I recorded a Q&A with Ahmed the other day where we talk about the program and how it works. Hopefully you can understand me properly, i was a bit muffled and Australian sounding.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Prokudin-Gorsky
Not only is it amazing to see pictures of that era in full color ; but also, there is definitely a special quality coming from them. I am not exactly sure to understand what makes them look so special, but the resulting images certainly have a raw, illustrative quality to them. Colors don't bleed, local colors remain consistent, and so on. (of course the recent pictures available online are reconstructed and cleaned up to avoid fringing, but I believe their color quality is something really unique coming from the "RGB-accurate" separation process).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Prokudin-Gorskii-19.jpg/800px-Prokudin-Gorskii-19.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Jewish_Children_with_their_Teacher_in_Samarkand.jpg/1024px-Jewish_Children_with_their_Teacher_in_Samarkand.jpg
Anyways, sorry for the off-topic note - I just thought I'd mentioned it since it is somewhat related to the technical explanation given in the video
Lotet haha. That's the goal man! I actually have some ideas about how to make some mobile applications for assisting colorblind traditional painters, and some good articles written about combating it, as i seem to have managed to work around it better than my colourblind art peers.
One thing I would assume is that they *might* be capturing a wider range on color information than other reproduction means, since they do not clip out useless colors that the eye is not able to see. So maybe that gives more color range to work within during the reconstruction process ?
It sure would be interesting to see a similar process applied to a current-day dslr. I might just have to get myself some colored gels today to find out
(sorry for the derail !)
It's a bit esoteric, but maybe there is some knowledge to be gleaned there.
And no worries about the derailing, this is super interesting.