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2Loud4u
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My workflow sucks and is in dire need of retooling. It takes me an awfully long time to complete a single project (and remains the only reason I'm currently stuck at a dead end job). I'm not sure if it's the way I tackle a project, my stringent perfectionism, or both. Seriously (somebody help me out), what methods are optimal in developing a better workflow? How do you usually approach a project from start to end?

I'd appreciate any help ... thanks!

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  • AtticusMars
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    Analyze your workflow, systematically look at your biggest time sinks and think of faster ways to work.

    Automation helps
  • Swizzle
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    Analyze your workflow, systematically look at your biggest time sinks and think of faster ways to work.

    Automation helps

    Yup, pretty much this.

    If it can be scripted, bound to a hotkey, done with a better tool, or otherwise automated, it's worth the trouble to do it. Even if it feels like a waste of time initially, a small investment of time at the outset of a project or as part of a larger effort to make your workflow better is a worthwhile effort.

    This is why tools like Substance Designer and Painter, or things like Zremesher are important tools to have in your repertoire. You can use them to speed up the work you do so you're not wasting time on steps that can be easily be automated.

    Also, don't underestimate the importance of planning. A well-planned project with very specific goals and milestones will go much faster because you'll always have a point of reference for what you need to be doing at any given time.

    If you can plan how you're going to accomplish a certain goal at a specific point in a project, you're going to save a lot of time when it comes time to do whatever that task is. For example, you could do research and plan how you're going to model a specific part of a mechanical model that you think will give you trouble and take longer than other parts, and this will save you time when it comes to making that part because you'll know exactly how to proceed instead of having to experiment and find the best method.
  • 2Loud4u
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    AtticusMars and Swizzle, thank you for the advice!
  • DireWolf
    what's your current workflow like?
  • Kwramm
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    DireWolf wrote: »
    what's your current workflow like?
    +1

    Before you change anything, determine if you actually have a workflow, or if you do things by random. Figure out time sinks.

    When you make changes, do them gradually. If you introduce too many changes at once, you can get problems gauging impact, as benefits and drawbacks of your changes may negate each other. Small tweaks is the way to go.
  • Ged
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    Kwramm wrote: »
    When you make changes, do them gradually. If you introduce too many changes at once, you can get problems gauging impact, as benefits and drawbacks of your changes may negate each other. Small tweaks is the way to go.

    +1
    Its easy to get stuck in a feedback loop on a sculpt, especially with anatomy sculpting I find. Sometimes youve just gotta learn to stop making tweaks, have confidence in your own ability and start polishing it off.
  • gnoop
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    Perfectionism is the main time killer. Better is enemy of the good. And not always turns better actually.

    As of new tools, they may help also but not that much imo. You could spend a lot of time on them just to find they do the same you already did before. So don't expect anything magical.

    After all you just have to accept the risks. Your perfectionism may promote you on a new level/job. Meanwhile you may be laid off couple times for not being productive enough.
  • WarrenM
    I think Pern said in another thread, perfectionism is another word for procrastination. And in many ways, that's true.
  • WarrenM
    As for workflow, something that has helped me speed up over time is to always keep an open eye in the back of your mind and watch yourself work. If you find yourself pulling down a menu routinely or executing an identical series of actions, you need to recognize those as candidates for hot keys or macros or pop-up menus or whatever your app allows.

    Every Sunday, I take a few minutes to reflect on the prior week and try to streamline anything that was giving me sticking points or slowed me down. And figure out a way to automate or, at least, speed up.
  • Tigerfeet
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    If you're not already using keyboard shortcuts for most things, try to. Add one or two to your routine a day and you'll get used to them, and get faster. When I'm painting anymore I feel like I'm playing the piano with my left hand.
  • 2Loud4u
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    2Loud4u polycounter lvl 8
    DireWolf wrote: »
    what's your current workflow like?

    Thanks for asking, DireWolf. My interface was customized with short cuts a long time ago, so that not a problem I need to address. I guess I'm struggling with the design process itself … about how exact a model needs to be to the reference image. After blocking out the model, I can spend hours, weeks, and even months trying to replicate the image and only then … get bored and start the next project … only for the exact same thing to occur.

    Hopefully, spending time on this forum will help develop those skills necessary to complete my projects.
  • Grusti
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    my main advice would be reading a book called "Manage your day-to-day" where you can read about problem with perfectionism in particular and how to be more productive.
  • kanga
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    2Loud4u wrote: »
    Thanks for asking, DireWolf. My interface was customized with short cuts a long time ago, so that not a problem I need to address. I guess I'm struggling with the design process itself … about how exact a model needs to be to the reference image. After blocking out the model, I can spend hours, weeks, and even months trying to replicate the image and only then … get bored and start the next project … only for the exact same thing to occur.

    Hopefully, spending time on this forum will help develop those skills necessary to complete my projects.
    I cant see your work so I cant deduce where you are at or what you are aiming for. Workflow is not always about speed and speed is not always a result of technique or technicalities. Improving your workflow can also mean finding new ways to do things that will raise the quality of your product. Sometimes a stalled project is the result of being unhappy about the quality you are producing. If you find that the quality of your art is too low then improving that area through clever practice can also speed everything up or make the effort you need to put in seem less.
  • DireWolf
    Hmm likeness apart, there are standard you need to set for yourself. Someone said an asset is never complete, in a sense that's true because as an artist you want to keep on polishing your work forever, making it better and better.

    They key here is that you need to work on the whole model together. Don't polish just 1 area but instead learn to touch your entire piece equally and keep moving. At least this way, whenever you stop, your whole piece would be on a similar level and you can step back and call it done at any stage. Which often happens in production.
  • RyanB
    WarrenM wrote: »
    As for workflow, something that has helped me speed up over time is to always keep an open eye in the back of your mind and watch yourself work. If you find yourself pulling down a menu routinely or executing an identical series of actions, you need to recognize those as candidates for hot keys or macros or pop-up menus or whatever your app allows.

    Smalll mistakes that are repeated often are the most expensive mistakes over the long term.
  • 2Loud4u
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    my main advice would be reading a book called "Manage your day-to-day" where you can read about problem with perfectionism in particular and how to be more productive.
    Thank you for the recommendation, IlyaIvanovArt! I'll be purchasing the book soon ... can't wait to delve into it.
  • 2Loud4u
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    kanga wrote: »
    I cant see your work so I cant deduce where you are at or what you are aiming for. Workflow is not always about speed and speed is not always a result of technique or technicalities. Improving your workflow can also mean finding new ways to do things that will raise the quality of your product. Sometimes a stalled project is the result of being unhappy about the quality you are producing. If you find that the quality of your art is too low then improving that area through clever practice can also speed everything up or make the effort you need to put in seem less.

    "If you find that the quality of your art is too low then improving that area through clever practice can also speed everything up or make the effort you need to put in seem less." I think you've hit the nail on the head with that statement, kanga. The quality of work I used to produce was poor at best, but over the past several months, I've learned several techniques that have substantially improved my work. However, it still takes me a while to finish a model.

    I will post updates on another thread shortly and welcome critiques. I can't wait to receive y'all's reviews.
  • 2Loud4u
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    DireWolf wrote: »
    Hmm likeness apart, there are standard you need to set for yourself. Someone said an asset is never complete, in a sense that's true because as an artist you want to keep on polishing your work forever, making it better and better.

    They key here is that you need to work on the whole model together. Don't polish just 1 area but instead learn to touch your entire piece equally and keep moving. At least this way, whenever you stop, your whole piece would be on a similar level and you can step back and call it done at any stage. Which often happens in production.

    Nice ... that's what's up! Thanks for the advice, DireWolf!
  • drizs
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    So, it sounds to me like you are asking the wrong questions.

    Is the fact that your workflow is slow the only reason you're stuck in a dead end job?

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and see if I can sense what you're really looking for. Because it feels like you put so much on the line on whether you will succeed on making the greatest art ever if not you're stuck in the dead end job.
    This is a hugely detrimental way on any creative endevour.

    So here are my thoughts on your situation:

    * Don't treat your artwork like it's "all or nothing", it will make the process miserable and you'll end up hate working. Because you will be afraid of failing. You should be happy to fail, because it will make you a better artist.

    * Do what you think is fun, not what you think will get you out of your current situation. Embrace your situation. Make your NOW tolerable. That's often also an added bonus of being deligent on working TOWARDS your goals, not necessarily achieving them.

    * You are a beginner, treat yourself like it. Don't take off bigger projects than you can chew. If you can't finish what you start in 4 weeks, it's too big, regardless if you can only work 1 hour a week. Only do projects that you can finish in under 4 weeks. After 4 weeks you find yourself 50% there? Do another project that's half the scope.
    Part of being a beginner is the Dunning-Kruger effect; beginners think they are better than they really are. Part of it is that you see artwork on Polycount and you KNOW each step of the process to create the artwork so it gives the illusion of it being simple. It's not.

    The reason I'm writing this is because I was in your exact position, asking the same questions 10 years ago. Someone on Polycount told me the exact same thing and I managed to get a job not 3 months after.

    Anyway, I thought I'd just pass it along, hope it's useful, if not c´est la vie! :)
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