Cintiq, 27QHD, or 22HD
Hey guys,
Im wanting to get more into digital painting, and want to invest in a Cintiq.
Im trying to decide which one to get, If i got the 22HD, it would be a 3rd monitor setup with my current hardware, if i got the 27QHD, it would replace my main monitor - and id gain the higher screen resolution which would be nice. I spend most my time in 3d software, but want to get more into concepting.
Im hesitant with the QHD though because its so massive - I'm not sure if it will be a pain to use. Anyone have an opinion on this? The price of the non touch QHD isn't that much more than a 22HD, and I wonder if it would be more convenient having it as my main display as I might be more inclined to use it more often, rather than shifting things around on 3 monitors.
Any opinions appreciated!
Im wanting to get more into digital painting, and want to invest in a Cintiq.
Im trying to decide which one to get, If i got the 22HD, it would be a 3rd monitor setup with my current hardware, if i got the 27QHD, it would replace my main monitor - and id gain the higher screen resolution which would be nice. I spend most my time in 3d software, but want to get more into concepting.
Im hesitant with the QHD though because its so massive - I'm not sure if it will be a pain to use. Anyone have an opinion on this? The price of the non touch QHD isn't that much more than a 22HD, and I wonder if it would be more convenient having it as my main display as I might be more inclined to use it more often, rather than shifting things around on 3 monitors.
Any opinions appreciated!
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I'm nowhere specialist so that could be total bullshit but : It's not a regular screen, cintiq get hot real fast after 2hours they are warm, pretty sure the longer it's open the smaller it's life get. Also cintiq are MASSIVE and heavy. And You can put them straight up except if you bought a special holder, the one provided doesn't got to 90° it stop around 80° and it doesn't feel stable everytime someone hit the desk i'm afraid it's going to fall.
The cintiq 22hd is really big too, you need to be sure you have a great ergonomy else you'll ended up like many people who break their neck and back because they didn't had the proper chair or desk for a cintiq.
The only reason you would want a cintiq as a main screen is if you used your computer ONLY to draw, like a concept artist computer at job, not for a home computer.
Also be really sure you want a cintiq before getting the big pricey one. I bought a 22hd in my first year of school and realize i couldn't bring it ANYWHERE so i also bought a 13hd, and for the past 4 years i really regret buying the 22hd full price because i simply prefer the 13hd, I had a terrible workspace for a cintiq, after 3hours on it my back killed me. the lighting at home wasn't proper either it reflect on it and killed my eyes etc. Now i'm happy because they 22hd is at work where everything is fit for it, and i'm so happy i can use my 13hd at home without feeling bad that i paid 2600$ to not used the big one. From what i learn, buying a cintiq if you don't plan on using it everyday is a waste of money except if you have a medical condition that "forces you" to have one like me ( hand/feet and eyes have trouble connecting, so working on a intuos is really really hard for me) And even there if you don't plan on using it that much, buy a 13hd or a companion2. Big cintiq are made for illustrator and concept artist.
It's only my opinion but the 22hd is just the right size, you can mount them on an ergotron arm for more adjustability, just make sure you have a sturdy wood desk or the leverage will break it. My best advice is pull the cintiq to you, work on it like a painter with an easel or animator on an animation table.
That's the thing, it's only useful as a main monitor if used that way. but it's useless to buy a cintiq as a first monitor if you plan to use is 5hours a week and the rest of the time play game, facebook or anything else.
Anyways the 27QHD weight less because it's really slim and the support is not made of heavy metal like the 22hd got. However 27 is way too big, if you really want a cintiq wait for the new 22qhd it's probably going to be out soon.
Also how the **** where you able to calibrate your cintiq, we try 8times at work never was able
I completely disagree. I use the 27QHD as my main monitor. It looks great. It looks like any other high end monitor out there. I had a 22HD for awhile, that looked horrible. Maybe that is where you're opinion is coming from.
The stand for the 27QHD is separate. If you add the weight of the stand it weighs a lot more than the 22HD.
I use 22HD and the size is perfect, fits in my lap (using arm). The thought of using the 27 was awesome, but I realized that the way my setup is, it would not fly (3 x 24 Dells), so I went for a 22HD.
Just make sure you are comfortable using either of them, and if needed, can adjust your workspace.
from the setups I've seen in pictures, the 27Qhd is massive, and it seems most people have a little keyboard off to the side that looks like it barely used. But i mostly do 3d modelling, and like to use a keyboard and mouse in front of me.
Maybe with an awesome KB tray the 27QHD can be comfortable? Or a large desk?
http://www.ergotron.com/ProductsDetails/tabid/65/PRDID/351/language/en-US/Default.aspx
None of my business but if you mostly do 3D modeling why the hell do you want to spend a fortune on something you don't really need ? I couldn't find any of your work but unless you're mainly doing handpaint a cintiq is kinda totally useless and IMO a 27qhd is real "throw your money at some cool gadget". zbrushing isn't that awesome on cintiq you need a lot of practice to make it faster than a regular tablet (mostly because of keyboard position). You would be better off buying license or a better pc no ?
22HD mate and add it to your 3 monitor setup. The 27" is huge, especially for home use. Unless you have a lot of real estate on your desktop. I have a 3 monitor setup myself. 27in as main, 19in for second - nice size to read single pages of PDF's and have reference images on and a 22HD Cintiq - drawing and 3d, but use as 3rd monitor when doing other things.
Apologies, but disagree with Odow.... Zbrush is great on Cintiq. Yes it does take practice, which I have to agree with, but that's like anything. I personally don't use the main keyboard. Being a cack handed lefty, I started messing around with a gaming keypad as my keyboard for art work and in particular Zbrush. Works a treat - for me anyway.
Oh many thanks Lamont for the Ergotron arm info. Definitely going to have a look into one of those.
cheers
24HD
13.7 kg (30.20 lb) without stand
29.0 kg (63.93 lb) with stand
27QHD
9kg (19.8 lbs) without stand
25kg (55.1 lbs) with ergo stand
So yeah, the 27QHD is actually lighter. And for the sake of comparaison :
21UX
8.7 kg excluding stand.
I hope this clears things up !
As far as what I calibrated with, it was just whatever calibration tool the studio had.
A point about the ergotron arms: I was at a studio that hooked all the artist up with 22HDs on arms, the arm couldn't hold the cintiq up for a long time, it would slowly sink down to rest on the desk.
I got the 22HD, but at work we had regular Intous 4 large. Right when I got it we working on a 2D game. My hand/eyeSo I found myself putting Photoshop on another monitor and using the Cintiq as a normal Wacom. I had to slowly bring myself to using the Cintiq as a Cintiq.
I'd like a Cintiq Companion 2, I always think money grows on trees
The 22HD has some weird anti-glare coating that messes with my eyes. It gives it a sort of sparkle effect. The 27QHD looks like any other monitor out there.
Keyboard usage with a 27QHD is a no go unless you prefer a really high drawing surface. I had the same issue, but I got used to the Expresskey remote and it doesn't bother me anymore. It has more than enough buttons for shortcuts for me and can be placed anywhere so it's always comfortable.
It is massive, but if you get the stand you can rest the keyboard on the stand base and use the 27QHD as a regular monitor when you're not drawing or sculpting. Sounds ridiculous, but having a massive monitor right in your face is actually nice for 3D modeling.
Doesn't look overly massive there - I might want to get an L shaped desk for it.
You have any complaints about the 27qhd?
Do you adjust the stand to get closer to you when your going to paint?
After having used a Cintiq at my last studio, I am sold. Photoshop, Zbrush Sketchbook, etc. were a joy to use. I just placed an order for the 27 on BH Photo's site yesterday. ETA mid August. Fingers crossed that is true.
its like buying a handcrafted sportscar
The positives : the big work surface is fantastic, there's no paralax problem, it doesn't get hot and the cursor lag is fine.
A few negatives : some ips light bleed (but it's fine), it does tend to blind you a bit (big shiny screen in front of your face syndrome) and the glass coating tends to blur the image when the cintiq is laying flat. I found the build-in feet insufficient so you will have to buy an ergo stand if you don't want to wreck your back and your eyes
I'd only recommend the 27HD if you have a lot of free desk space. Its bloody huge and took me a few weeks to organise a desk setup that works for me. I definitely recommend getting an ergotron with a double extended arm (You'll also need to buy a bracket mount). Unless you like working on a flat surface, but you'll need a raised seating position.
Other artists here have the 22HD and sometimes I wish I had the smaller one. It allows for a keyboard and mouse to sit under it (with the standard wacom stand). I switch between mouse and pen a lot so this is important. With the 27HD I have to have the keyboard & Mouse off to the side, which isnt great but i'm used to it now. I could raise the 27HD on the ergotron but its not solid as a rock and has a little wobble, which I can work with but the higher drawing position doesn't work for me either.
When other artist here are requesting a wacom they generally go with the 22HD because its easier to work with in the desk space we have. We also have 2 large monitors all to fit on a pretty standard corner desk. I wouldn't trade in the 27HD for a smaller one now that i'm used to it though. It is "Epic" but does have its draw backs.
As a side note. I don't even use the side panel thing. I tried setting it up but I couldn't get used to it and prefer having hotkeys on a keyboard.
I had to ditch one of my screens because of the size of the beast so that it all fits on my desk.
Ironically, I don't like to use 3D on a Cintiq. I prefer practicing 3DCG on...my laptop which has 4GB GTX960M.
Any one else in same situation as me? What would you do? Wait more?