First WIP here and first turn-around, crits please?
So, i said I'd post a WIP
Doing a turn-around for a character from my portfolio that was until now just a painting.
Looking for some critique before I move on, clean up my line-work and paint.
(just realized she doesn't have boot laces...)character painted i'm using for reference. http://www.robertjsage.com/t45ihz22kyera63ulgfdsyekwz1y6k
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Do you use a tablet? Also, what program do you draw in?
I have a 13 inch cintiq so it's sort of a tablet? (more just resistive touch screen)
and Corel.
Also, when you say Corel, do you mean Painter, or another product?
Yeah, it's weird, when I paint no matter the zoom level it's wavy.
not ever really?
Painter 2015
http://us.wacom.com/en/support/legacy-drivers/
Find your model in the dropdown list there, choose your OS and download the latest driver. Install it, restart, and you might actually have a better time doing digital art. I'm familiar with that driver issue, it was really frustrating but I had kind of just assumed it was how tablets worked at the time, haha... The experience is supposed to be smooth. Especially with a Cintiq.
i see, I might have to do this in the morning haha but thanks for the advice. will post when I have installed it. (installed one, but not sure it was the right one, still having wavy lines O_o)
thanks!
ok, so glad I updated my drivers.
Been very busy with work and doing mastercopies for that 21 days thing so.
regardless. wanted to see what you thought and maybe if anyone (or you) had critique before I went into some color. (found this wonderful tutorial by Cubebrush for coloring line-work
Go ahead man!
That's a nice tut you found, but your lineart at current is not of a quality where you can show it off like that. Part of that is just that your lines are still super jaggy. I found I can kind of replicate this sort of look if I draw reaaally slow, but I still don't think a driver issue can be ruled out. What's your EXACT model Cintiq (there should be a sticker on the back or on/in the box)? If yours is a companion as opposed to a legacy 13HD, make sure you grab the right driver off the main current driver page instead.
See this comparison for what you should be expecting, line quality-wise.
Secondly, your actual lines aren't too confident. See these, learn to control your pressure and use sweeping strokes instead of lots of smaller ones.
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/sketching-lines
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/fluid-linework
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/the-power-of-line-weight
http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm#line_art
https://gumroad.com/robotpencil (Painting With Confidence 1 covers a lot of these issues and more, and I'd really recommend it).
The next thing I'd like to bring up, is that you don't appear to be thinking out your picture in 3D. Your character looks really flat, and a lot of areas aren't foreshortened nor in perspective. Do you do construction before creating the outlines for your characters? Some comparisons/examples.
Another problem is that the poses are a little odd and floaty, lacking rhythm and flow. Here's a deconstruction of what you have right now (focusing mostly just body), and the problems I'm seeing.
I also noticed there were some inconsistencies and lumps created seemingly by not drawing in layers where perhaps at this stage of your understanding of construction, you should be doing that. eg, drawing the whole body naked before drawing the clothes on another layer on top, then later painting over or masking out the lineart for the body occluded by the clothing.
And here's the redline that represents what I would do/change, fixes and suggestions.
I found it sort of hard to read the intended characteristics of your image, so I've just sort of averaged them. Sorry if she's a bit thin, or otherwise doesn't look how you imagined. This is just an example of flow and construction. :thumbup: Take it with a grain of salt, too, as I usually iterate my female anatomy x10000000 cuz I usually draw dudes. We're all learning here. :poly136:
Some related notes.
http://jigokuen.tumblr.com/post/116933281475/some-notes-i-put-together-for-my-cda-class-just
https://www.pinterest.com/cocoacanoe/character-balance-action-lines/
http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/553
http://www.saveloomis.org/ Buy some Loomis books. (http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/ if you have trouble finding one or two)
https://www.anatomy4sculptors.com/anatomy.php
Lastly, just some misc issues outlined. Most of what I said in the previous deconstruction applies, in areas that are not labeled.
The links from above generally address how you can fix this sort of thing, too.
All in all, I'd like to end on asking how you construct your images. If you do construction, could you show what yours looks like? Do you just start drawing, or do you draw out a fleshed out maquette? Do you draw out a few thumbnails for pose exploration? Do you use real life reference at all while drawing?
Keep up the work, and I look forward to seeing your progress on this piece. For the record, I'd suggest doing figure/gesture drawing, cloth studies, and anatomy studies, as well as perspective and line/form practice instead of mastercopies or portfolio pieces right now. It will save you time and anguish in the long run. Feel free to finish this piece first, though. :thumbup:
Bleh, sorry again for long post + bluntness.
sorry for the lateness in replying! --- I constructed them all wrong before. after this I kind of did some studies (been doing that 21 days thing) and looked at some loomis stuff (thank you so much for that link btw!) and came up with this
blue lines are construction with loomis skeleton and some proko-esque cylinders. then I outlined them with black.
i don't really draw out thumbnails but that is a great idea. I might re-draw this completely with your suggestions.
did some hand studies as well
hey, I too apologize for the delay. I've been really busy with a schedule change at work...
Anyway, here is something, sort of taking into account what you've told me.
I am not sure why it's still doing that, i have a CINTIQ 13HD creative pen display. Not a companion. and yeah, by no means even if I draw fast will I tend to get that second line with the green check haha.
I actually really need to work on going from general to specific without making my lines look like I have tourettes O_o. lol
I am going to look through those videos and try to sure up my line-work and light weight when I refine it.
regardless, here is what I have based on some of what you've said. I actually posed myself (after getting frustrated trying to do it from memory) to try to get a more natural pose instead of just imagining one or going off of pose-maniacs.
I apologize too, still haven't really looked at everything, (again busy) but will be doing so as I finish this. the one thing that really helped was seeing how I was drawing the head and knees wrong.
grant it not much hand action in this drawing but I plan to make the turn-around a bit more dynamic by making a different pose for each, so less boring/more informative.
let me know what I still need to improve.