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dimosM
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Hey, so its time to upgrade my current system because it's getting a little frustrating to use. I did some research and came up with something like this : http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/mh7VRB
My budget is pretty tight and i am actually having second thoughts about the ssd, do i really need it? is this the right one?
I already have a [ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GeForce-GT630-Nvidia-Graphics/dp/B00896KEXU"]video card[/ame] which i can keep using and same goes for storage, i got two of these [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Cache-Desktop/dp/B00461G3MS"]guys[/ame]. At some point i will probably get a new one and some more ram but for now these will have to do the job.
As for the operating system, microsoft is giving us free software(for as long as i am student) so i wont need to buy that yet.

What to do you think ? Will this work ?
I need it mainly for 3d related work (Zbrush, photoshop, unity).

Thanks in advance :)
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  • Gmanx
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    Gmanx polycounter lvl 19
    I asked a very similar question a few days ago and got lots of good advice. Some of that might be useful to read: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150015

    Good luck with the build. :)
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  • .Wiki
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    PSU:

    Looks solid. I would go for a beQuiet or Enermax power Supply, they cost a bit more but they run really silent.

    RAM:

    Putting 1866 Mhz Ram would be useless if you not overclock. The i5 4960 only supports DDR3 1600 by default. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_%28microarchitecture%29
    You could save some bucks if you don´t go for these fancy gaming ram dimms. [ame="http://www.amazon.de/Kingston-KVR16N11-Arbeitsspeicher-1600MHz-DDR3-RAM/dp/B0089JIDLC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1426341939&sr=8-5&keywords=kingston+1600"]Kingston KVR16N11/8 Arbeitsspeicher 8GB DDR3-RAM: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör[/ame]
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  • SonicBlue
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    SonicBlue polycounter lvl 10
    Does your cabinet supports ATX motherboards?

    You can save some euros by choosing 1600 MHz RAM modules, the CPU and the motherboard supports 1333 and 1600 MHz only.

    For the power supply I would go for a XFX (Seasonic), Antec or Seasonic directly.

    I can share what other people suggested me when I build mine about the graphics card, you can trade the SSD for a better card (that one is the bare minimum) and for now use your mechanical drives; anyway that SSD is one of the best.
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  • beefaroni
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    I think the power supply is fine for the budget (unless there is a better one for the same price).

    The stock i5 cooler should be fine since you're not going to be overclocking anyways.

    And I agree about the ram and SSD.

    I think the savings of the cooler, ram, and SSD should get you a pretty nice GPU. I think the 630 will start to show its age very soon if it hasn't already.
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  • dimosM
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    dimosM
    Thanks for the good advice guys, it really helps. You are right about the cooler, i don't need one since i wont be overclocking, and i will go for 1600 MHz RAM instead of the fancy red one so that will save me some money.
    Now, assuming that i won't be going for an ssd, that leaves me with 140-160 euros for a GPU, are these really enough for a decent one ? any suggestions?

    I think i could hold back with the GPU and come back in some months with hopefully some more money to get a good one. I don't really want to buy something now and replace it in 4 months.
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  • dimosM
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    dimosM
    SonicBlue wrote: »
    Does your cabinet supports ATX motherboards?
    Yes, it does
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  • EarthQuake
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    I wouldn't skip the SSD, an SSD is one of those things you notice on a day-to-day basis, your entire system just feels more responsive running on an SSD. You can add an SSD later but then you have to reinstall your OS or mirror the drive which is a bit of a pain.

    I would replace the GPU, as your 630 is going to be a big bottleneck running most games or doing gpu intensive tasks like running game engines or gpu-based renderers. But I wouldn't drop the SSD to replace the GPU if thats your only choice atm. I would save up a little more to buy a GPU that will last you a few years instead. An Nvidia GTX 960 offers great performance with current features at a very good price, its one of the best values in the GPU market these days, it will be about 6-7x faster than your 630.

    If you can't afford a 960, something like the 750 offers excellent value as well and will be ~4x faster than your 630.
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  • SonicBlue
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    When you don't have money, you have to sacrifice something :)

    AMD cards are a no go? (in this case the R9 270X)
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  • .Wiki
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    EarthQuake wrote: »
    something like the 750 offers excellent value as well and will be ~4x faster than your 630.
    There are even some nice passive 750 cards from asus, zotac and expertvision. They run pretty well if you got at least one casefan. I´m using my 750 to play battlefield 3 and war thunder it gives really good gaming performance for around 120€ (price for the passive model the active cooled cards are cheaper).
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  • dimosM
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    dimosM
    Not sure about AMD, i was always an Nvidia guy although i never really took the time to compare the two so i don't know.
    I will probably hold back a couple of months for the GPU and take the ssd for now(mostly because i am really bored of reinstalling windows :))

    My first choice was [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX100-2-5-Inch-Internal-CT256MX100SSD1/dp/B00KFAGCWK"]http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX100-2-5-Inch-Internal-CT256MX100SSD1/dp/B00KFAGCWK [/ame]
    but there is also [ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-250GB-2-5-Inch-Basic-Solid/dp/B00E3W1726"]Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch Basic SATA Solid State Drive: Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories[/ame]
    they are both in my budget, although i would prefer to get the Crucial since from what i saw they don't really have a difference?
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  • SonicBlue
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    dimosM wrote: »
    Not sure about AMD, i was always an Nvidia guy although i never really took the time to compare the two so i don't know.
    I will probably hold back a couple of months for the GPU and take the ssd for now(mostly because i am really bored of reinstalling windows :))

    My first choice was http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX100-2-5-Inch-Internal-CT256MX100SSD1/dp/B00KFAGCWK
    but there is also Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch Basic SATA Solid State Drive: Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories
    they are both in my budget, although i would prefer to get the Crucial since from what i saw they don't really have a difference?

    I should have quoted EarthQuake :D

    I would go for the Crucial, in the store I've bought all my components it's cheaper than the Samsung, the MX100 it's also a newer model.

    Performance and reliability are almost the same, MX100 uses MLC memories, while 840 EVO has TLC, even though they tested the real lifespan of the Samunsg drive, and you need ~200 years of usage to break it.

    But:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2g1jfi/seems_that_the_samsung_840_evo_is_notorious_for
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  • EarthQuake
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    If the Samsung is cheaper or about the same price for the same capacity, I would get it, Samsung EVO line is very solid.

    Sonicblue: I'm not really a fan of ATI, driver issues etc, maybe thats better recently but its always been an issue with me in the past. Plus, nvidia cards seem to be more efficient these days, so you may pay a little more upfront for an nvidia card, but you'll pay more in terms of utilities with an ATI card over the long term (generally).

    Even ignoring power use, a 750 or 960 is a better value than a 270X (in the us at least): http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html
    960 is about twice as fast as 270x for only 25% more money.
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  • dimosM
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    dimosM
    Alright everyone, thanks for your replies. This is how it looks now : http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/7j4cP6
    I will probably go with this one , but still if you have any more suggestions please do share them.
    Thanks!
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  • SonicBlue
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    SonicBlue polycounter lvl 10
    EarthQuake wrote: »
    Sonicblue: I'm not really a fan of ATI, driver issues etc, maybe thats better recently but its always been an issue with me in the past. Plus, nvidia cards seem to be more efficient these days, so you may pay a little more upfront for an nvidia card, but you'll pay more in terms of utilities with an ATI card over the long term (generally).

    Even ignoring power use, a 750 or 960 is a better value than a 270X (in the us at least): http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html
    960 is about twice as fast as 270x for only 25% more money.

    This was taking into account his 140-160 € of budget for a graphics card, because, if I look at the price tags, I have:

    Gigabyte GTX 750 Low Profile 2GB at 109.77€
    Sapphire R7 260X 2GB at 119.93€
    Gigabyte GTX 750TI OC 2GB at 136.65€
    Sapphire R9 270X Dual-X 2GB at 153.74€
    Palit GTX 960 JetStream 2GB at 195.22€

    Considering a possible price cut due to the release of the R9 370X in April, I was wondering if AMD would be a good choice, everyone seems to use Intel+Nvidia, which I have to agree on this choice since it gives you less compatibility problems with Windows, Linux and OS X, but when you cross a certain point it becomes very expensive.

    The problem with the drivers is because they are very slow on releasing new ones, and consequently on fixing issues, for example I had to roll back to the previous Catalyst beta driver (for my APU), since the WHQL driver was crashing Cinema 4D OpenGL viewport randomly.

    This obviously considering budget constraints, the GTX 960 looks delicious, the 4GB version are also popping out, so.
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