A second monitor
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Hello guys, I have a dell S2230MX that I bought when I wasn't yet a 3D artist, untill now I've found it pretty good tbh.
Anyway I'd like to get a second monitor and the price range it's between 100-170 , nothing extreme, a 21.5 / 23" monitor with 1920x1080 LED would be good.
Should I pick the same monitor?
I'm a bit scared of having two monitors different monitors... would it be a problem? I've found one for 230$...
I'm not very expert so, please, can somebody help picking one?
Anyway I'd like to get a second monitor and the price range it's between 100-170 , nothing extreme, a 21.5 / 23" monitor with 1920x1080 LED would be good.
Should I pick the same monitor?
I'm a bit scared of having two monitors different monitors... would it be a problem? I've found one for 230$...
I'm not very expert so, please, can somebody help picking one?
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You should look for a monitor with an IPS panel of some sort, you may have to settle for an e-ips panel in your price range though but that should still be a decent step up over your current display. Most IPS displays under $300 or so will have an e-ips panel. The biggest difference is generally color depth, where e-ips is usually 6-bit per channel and ips panels are generally 8 or 10-bit panel, this means you might see some banding in gradients but nothing major e-ips panel (all TN panels are 6-bit as well). But again, e-ips is better than TN in pretty much every way (except response times for gaming, and even then the differences are marginal).
Something like a Dell S2340M would be a good choice on a budget. E-ips 6-bit panel, very basic stand, etc: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Dell-293M3-IPS-LED-23-Inch-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B009H0XQRS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1420398340&sr=1-1&keywords=dell+23"+ips"]Amazon.com: Dell S2340M 293M3-IPS-LED 23-Inch Screen LED-lit Monitor: Electronics[/ame]
For a little more, you can get a AH-IPS panel (but still 6-bit) and a nicer stand: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260149&cm_re=23%22_ips-_-24-260-149-_-Product
In 24", you can get another e-ips panel, but this time at 1920x1200 instead of 1920x1080: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047&cm_re=24%22_ips-_-24-260-047-_-Product
To get an IPS screen with 8 or 10 bit color you'll likely spend upwards of $500, so thats probably out of your budget. Though again, the 6-bit IPS screens are quite good and generally way better than any TN panel. I have a 6-bit dell 23" sitting next to a 8-bit dell 24" and don't have any problems.
In terms of using two different monitors, its not really a big problem unless you need to color match both displays for print work or something like that. You can get a color calibrator to sync them up, like a Spyder Elite or similar.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ has lots of detailed reviews including panel type and bit depth for most monitors out there.
Yes. TN panels have horrible color shift, where if you move your head a few inches in any direction the colors on the screen change. The severity of this varies depending on the specific TN panel (some are better than others) but it is a typical trait and generally the most noticeable difference when you look at a TN and IPS panel side by side.
The colors on an IPS display should hold up no matter what viewing angle you look at it from, the only real exception being looking at them from very acute angles.
Color accuracy and gamut range is generally much better on IPS panels as well, but this applies more to the 8-bit and 10-bit models than the cheaper e-ips 6-bit ones. Though again, because of the viewing angles, even a 6-bit e-ips will have much better color accuracy than a 6-bit TN, because the colors display consistently.
If the differences are enough to bother you is a subjective question that only you can answer.
The price difference between e-ips and TN panels is so small these days that its not really a matter of if its worth it to go ips, but rather why would you even consider TN?
If anybody finds interesting/different solutions rather then S2340M would be much appreciated!
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It's a first thing you need , any cheap IPS monitor is the second. Don't buy expensive wide gamut one. The games are all using sRGB gamut so anything wider is just a money waste.
Check attached files. Left IPS, right TN.
Can you see this dark thing on TN? That's called Viewing Angles problem. Just this almost made me a serial killer when guys at PC shop tried to convince me that there is no problem with TN matrix, it's a problem with me because i'm a graphic and I can see things other doesn't notice. It was at a time when I switched from CRT monitor to my LCD.
Shitty color palette was a another "small" problem with TN.
When I returned TN monitor and got IPS, it's like someone put CRT back in front of me.
It was couple years ago, but somehow (based on TV's I saw) I doubt that quality of TN matrix type changed.
So yeah, there is a noticeable difference.
I'm in the UK, i don't mind selling my dell u2312HM, i've wanted to for a while. But it would depend on where it's going as shipping might be quite high.
Well, depends on how long have you been using it, price, and integrity! If you want, send me some shots of it with the price, it would be much appreciated.. Shipping would be to Italy anyway :thumbup:
yeah shipping to italy would suck le balls.
Jokes aside...
I'm gonna get a S2240L and FTW
My desk it's more or less 50 cm, if I get another big monitor I'm not sure it's gonna fit at all, so better stay on a lower profile and stick with the 21,5"
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Yeah you're paying for the stand. There are only so many panels out there, chances are you can find other brand monitors using that same panel as well. Afaik LG makes all the IPS panels, or rather anything advertised as IPS, as LG owns the patent for the term, though plenty of similar technology exists, Samsung has PLS which most people probably call IPS and a chinese company has something like AHVA or something that is similar to.
U2412M and U2413 are both 1920x1200, but both are way out of OP's budget. The low end 23" and 24" panels have traditionally been 1920x1080 screens. Whats new is that dell has IPS panels even in their low end monitors rather than TN.
I just upgraded to a 160cm ikea galant desk and it's awesome. Would recommend it to anyone. :thumbup:
I just bought a Spyder4Express yesterday. Even though I use dual monitors, I am on a budget atm, and can live with just the main one being accurate for the moment.
But, my monitor is an "old" TN, bought it for gaming back then. Should I prioritize upgrading monitors as well, or can the Spyder get me close enough? I already have 3 monitors, only using 2 of them, so buying new ones seems a bit over the top, but I honestly have no idea how important it is, and how much the Spyder can do for me.
Do you guys have any suggestions?
Sorry if this is stealing the thread, I can make a new one if you prefer.
Seeing an accurate 2,2 gamma imo is a critical thing for doing lighting and textures, realistic style . No PBR references would help you if you see wrong gamma on your screen.
I would rather find an old CRT somewhere, calibrate it and use as a color reference.
Beside TN formerly all had a tendency to have its green not in corresponding sRGB gamut green corner making all green colors over or under saturated. Colorimeter could fix it inside Photoshop and other "color aware" applications but not in game engine which usually don't know anything about your specific monitor profile.
It also sort of depends on how OCD you are, if having two different panels will bother you.
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Which is also an e-IPS based screen - the only difference between the L and M, are the connectivity options, the L is HDMI, and the M is DVI (both have VGA).
I'm personally using a S2440L, which is an AMVA panel, which is full 8 bit, as opposed to the 6 bit of the 2340L/M, it also has better static contrast(inherent to VA panels).
However, it is more prone to a bit of gamma shifting - so not as stable as an IPS. But, it's my main screen, and I look at it head on and don't really shift position. So I never really receive the gamma shift, it's also relatively small (24") coupled with the distance I view it from, angle of view never changes. (only issue I have with the 2440L, is the screen is glossy - glass, and until I sorted out the lighting in the room, it did pose issues - but sorting out the lighting, sorts it out just fine).
Which can also be a deciding factor between going for an IPS screen, or a VA screen (MVA/PVA/AMVA) if the pricing for the two fall into the same budget bracket. If your angle of view never really changes, and you aren't too close to the screen, a VA based screen might be a better buy if a higher bit depth is required.
Having said that, if your budget is higher, e.g. $500 upwards, don't bother looking at VA based panels, as EQ said, you'll already be in the 8bit+ IPS bracket.
However how do I understand which one is right about the colors and brightness?
I mean:
the pro/elite versions support mulitple monitors.
Isn't there a free way? XD
not accurate, no.
Never a Joy for Odeca!
Well, I'm gonna send it back anyway to get the other one with anti glare...
Even if you buy two of the same:
1. There is no guarantee the colors will match
2. There is no guarantee the colors will be accurate, with either one
lol cause im broke and lower resolution means my video card can keep up still :-)
Been browsing around recently for a new pair as well. I like the dell's linked earlier in this thread but trying to stick with 27in.
$200 seems to cheap for a 27in IPS though.
You know what I think its a good thing, as your end users will have variation in colour match too as they use different monitors, the more you can get it to look right across the board the better.
Its 1080P, so while its 27", you don't get any extra real estate over even a 22" or so, you just get bigger pixels. Okay if you want a larger screen to move the monitor further from you, but doesn't make any sense to upgrade from a smaller monitor with the same pixel count, aside from the obvious benefits of an IPS panel if you currently have a TN.
A 27" should be 2560 x 1440 or so.
Naaa, this isn't a thing. While having two poorly calibrated monitors does give you a larger sample range than just one, a properly calibrated screen is always better.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-g-sync-worlds-first-144hz-ips-monitor-unveiled
youtu.be/oT8f_1oRsLU
To better view the benefits of G-SYNC, download the original video file, set your monitor to 60 Hz, and view in Windows Media Player.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8812/acer-announces-two-gaming-monitors-at-ces-2015
from Anandtech:
http://dispcalgui.hoech.net/ is a pretty good software alternative that should work with the express versions of the hardware for multiple monitors too.
And holy moly ---- The difference is huge! :O I really underestimated this.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
I want, I really want
The only issue I'm seeing is that it has a 16:10 panel, so I'm curious if anyone tried connecting a PS4/Xbox one to it and if they had any issues with setting the correct aspect ratio. I've read that it supports only 16:10, 5:4 and 4:3 which is a really odd choice.
I guess I could go for U2414h, which is a regular 16:9, but I hear that panels are not as nice as in U2415.
The reason you get those aspect ratios is that its a mid-range monitor meant for work more so than gaming.
hmmm I wonder what the price on these new ces 2015 announcements will end up as? Didn't think 144mhz 4k was was anywhere near ready for release but u might want to wait fer further development as tech seems to be speeding up again: ( hoping 20nm maxwell is q3 ready as well )
Asus Unveils ROG Swift PG27AQ 4K IPS G-Sync Gaming Monitor
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-rog-swift-pg27aq-4k-uhd-g-sync,28337.html
Took awhile on the ROG forums for Asus to admit that their 1440p g-sync swift monitors supported 3dvision as well ( same as the TN version of that Acer monitor )
Wondering if these might be the first 3dvision ready IPS monitors?
( great times were living in when there might soon be no reason to suffer tn again?! )
Yeah, good times indeed. e-IPS manufacturing costs are clearly down to the level of TN, or at the very least, cheap enough that they can be used in low end budget monitors. I can't see any justification for continued use of TN panels at this point. Maybe the <$100 market or those crazy "pro gamer" monitors with super low input lag, but even then, current e-IPS and IPS panels are much better than the old 24ms IPS monitors of years gone by.
That's a fair point. I would say that right now I am looking for something that would be an all-purpose device, but I plan on buying a second screen later on that I would use purely for work. 2415 would be perfect for the price, but not being able to switch between 16:10 and 16:9 is a bit disappointing considering that my old Dell 2007WFP (1680x1050, 16:10) supports that feature. I think I will probably look into buying a 16:9, 23" monitor for now
Only g-sync support up to 60hz on 4k so...
Not quite yet it seems:
Oh well...
Considering the TN version of that IPS Acer g-sync model sells for $599
I think I'll stick to 1440p IPS.
Also the XB family of Acer g-sync monitors support 3dvision so far ( [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Acer-XB270H-Abprz-27-inch-Widescreen/dp/B00NUCRBCU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1420897 163&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Acer+XB270Hu"]1080p TN Acer XB270H[/ame] )
I am hoping an IPS 3dVision NV surround setup of 27" 1440p monitors will probably be under $2000.