Spacedraw for Android
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Spacedraw is a full-featured 3D-modeling software for mobile multitouch-devices (tablets and smartphones)
(see www.scalisoft.com)
Please use this thread to discuss the software, report bugs, suggest features and improvements, and to get help
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(see www.scalisoft.com)
Please use this thread to discuss the software, report bugs, suggest features and improvements, and to get help
- Scalisoft will watch this thread and give support.
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Thanks for all the good update !
I enjoy a lot the new modifiers , espacially the inflate on spline !
Some things bother me altough ...
-When i collapse the inflated spline , i should have a poly ...but it's something else ...
When i convert to poly before collapsing ...it does a poly but do not retain the curve.
-The patch editing it's not working anymore ...no wireframe preview , weird normals and can't access the handle of vertex ...
-i've noticed a bug with face extrude also ; after extruding , face selection is acting as if it was x-ray mode and also , some edge are selected with the face (for example the face that as been just extruded...)
This bugs apends both on my nexus 7 2013 android 4.4 and on my galaxy tab 10.1 android 4.0.2
Thank you again for all the good work !
Ben
2 things that I'm abit struggle at the moment;
- the home grid appear to be always on top of an object, even though it's not and similar display behavior also appear on every object's edges (it drawn infront of the shaded face).
- the rim at the edge of the screen feels abit too thin that sometimes I can't interact with it..probably give user an option to thicken them up a little?
Just played with it for few hours and I liking it so far especially with the ability to set the UI color..to be honest the default color scheme just not my taste hehe
thanks for the report, all fixed in v. 1.3.0.2, out today!
thanks for the report, both fixed in v. 1.3.0.2, out today!
thanks to benlemoine75!
there's no defined relation of Spacedraw's dimension to real life scale - interpret it as it suits ya!
THe only thing I would adjust in this great software, is the layout design. It looks kinda retro and chaotic. Otherwise a very complete and great package!
Regards
I tried extruding two vertices and then welding them but I wasn't able to create a face between them after I selected the edges.
You're surely right. The complete user interface will soon be revised.
@megaDee:
A command to create a face between three or four vertices will be added.
As of yet you can create a face inside any closed edge/line path by selecting edges/lines and then tapping "cover" in the
Like for example you delete a face how do you draw it back?
- you can extrude vertices, edges or faces,
- create lines snapped to vertices or edges of the object with "combine" enabled,
- this way you can subdivide existing faces, or
- create closed paths, then cover them with faces, see the answer to megaDee above.
- combine other primitives / objects
if it was an interior face, you select one edge of the gap, then invoke "cover" in theI'm aware there are still problems with inflate. You may send the scene file where you encounter the problem to info@scalisoft.com and indicate what action causes the crash - I'll then try to fix the problem.
The way to map textures in Spacedraw is to first project them (planar/box/cylindrical/spherical), and then to move UVs as required. I'm aware that is not workable for large textures on complex objects, however, it might be more efficient than you would think at first, since there are sophisticated tools for selecting and moving large sets of UVs at once (see the manual and try!).
The original idea was that this technique should only be needed for quickly applying small, repeatedly tiled textures, and that complex textures should be created with face-by-face mapping of empty bitmaps, than "stamping" textures (see the very end of the manual), manipulating them, and painting directly in the 3d view. While many of the required tools for that are there (see manual), they are not yet stable enough and much too slow, and some essential things are missing. - I'm very confident this will soon be fixed!
Of course a classic UV unwrapping tool would be useful in some situations and will probably be added at some time, but, I'm sorry, first are
as stated on Scalisoft's website.
Could you please let me know the type of the device that renders wrong? - I'll than try to adapt Spacedraw to it (the problem is that different GPUs render the same instructions differently in some cases).
Thank you for your answer and thank you for your great work.
Thank you for an answer. javlik
In about 3 to 4 months.
Sorry for the late answer.
Can't Wait :poly142: (Thanks for the info !)
I am still able to pretty effectively work with Spacedraw but I have to say again that such a function would be really appreciated.
Firstly I don't come from a modelling, 3D or CAD background so I don't understand a lot of terminology or concepts. I've been looking for months for an Android app that I can use to explore and model designs for wood turning. Ideally I want something that I can use on both the desktop and the tablet but all the big names that have such an offering have significant issues. Spacedraw doesn't work on the desktop, but I have been able to make it do something on the tablet which puts it leaps and bounds ahead of anything else. So from an outsider, here's some feedback.
1. The interface is terse, painfully terse. It does make sense on such a constrained screen I admit but some means of accessing tooltips would be useful. As I have a Note (10.1, 2014) it could offer tooltips when I hover over a command.
2. Needs feedback that operations have completed. Some operations seem to take several seconds but there is no indication whatsoever that it has finished leaving you to stab at the interface wondering whether you missed or it's busy still.
3. Needs to export to more file formats. I don't know what industry formats there are but if I wanted to put a model on a website I would need a JPG/PNG etc.
4. The online manual seems incomplete and quite brisk. The 4 hoop icons, I can't find an explanation of what they are. I don't expect you teach basic 3D modelling, but you seem to be aiming the manual at people who probably don't need to read it in the first place. I did the quickstart and at two points it bore no relation to the screen, as if steps were missing or huge assumptions had been made.
5. It's never quite clear how to dismiss things, sometimes you can press anywhere to dismiss and other times you can't. Getting rid of the material and colour boxes fox me in particular.
6. Undo/Redo - one of the most confusing aspects of the program, not helped by the time it takes to undo anything. Sometimes I have undone over 100 steps with a swipe and other times I can't undo at all with seemingly the same swipe. I can't figure out why the list of step appears and sometimes it doesn't. This must be the only program in the world that doesn't have undo/redo on the menu!
7. I can't make sense of the lighting and there are bugs. If I switch from default lighting to scene lighting, mess around, give up and delete the light my object texture (wood2) goes berserk, kaleidoscope of colours, and I need to turn textures on and off and lighting back to defaults to recover.
I think this is a program with huge potential as it actually works and is generally quite quick, it seems to only sip the battery which is astonishing. I am doing my best to use it, with some success, but the weird undo is probably my biggest obstacle right now. I'd really like to see a desktop version with cloud sync, I'd happily pay for it (I'll happily pay for just the Android version too), and you desperately need better documentation if you want to appeal to a wider audience.
I look forward to future updates.
Tooltips will be added, with support for pen hover.
Yep, will be done.
There'll be Collada and Blender export, and rendering to JPG/PNG.
I thought the manual is quite complete. What icons do you mean? Please let me know the problems with the quickstart tutorials, I'll fix them.
Right, will be improved.
There are some small bugs left with undo, but apart from that I think the concept is quite the best possible for touchscreen devices. See the manual:
These bugs will be fixed.
Big updates in about a month!
4. The hoop icons. I haven't been through the manual exhaustively, but where the hoops are mentioned there is no link to what they are, in fact the same is true for all the icons in the manual. I have since found where the hoops are described (snapping). I will try and go through the quickstart again soon.
6. I got the hand of undo/redo now and as I said in my Play store review, your use of screen areas is quite impressive.
I've spent some more time with it and I just love it. I've discovered the copy tool and had a lot of fun with that and made myself a freaky flower. But I think I found a problem with the materials. Below is a link to a screen grab and I've marked where there is something strange happening, it's much more obvious when you rotate the flower, spa file also linked.
spa file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewz2ao9mfuateke/flower.spa?dl=0
Screengrab: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vaejxx1pdnxmok0/tempFileForShare.jpg?dl=0
It might be a side effect of the rather torturous route I took to make this, but I learned a lot.
I had a go at creating a "car". When I put the windscreen in it rendered everything "through" it transparent. The body is a box on to which I placed a rectangle with a grid/mesh texture. I can see through the grid, but I can also see through the bottom of the box to the white rectangle below. I cannot see through the bottom of the box through the "window" to the red rectangle above, which is as expected.
I've noticed odd clipping also. Open the spa file below and move and zoom around. The home grid is being cut off half way up the screen, this is only started when I added the white and red rectangles. If I remove them I can zoom in and move around the car without clipping.
Screengrab with clipping: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jj5fx1jx8sey6o9/Screenshots_2015-11-11-19-53-13.png?dl=0,
Screengrab w/o clipping: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h3361uoilgbrhjr/Screenshots_2015-11-11-20-00-19.png?dl=0
spa file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d8xoaosgr5zq258/car.spa?dl=0
Sorry if I'm just being total noob.
Now I know what you mean - they're magnets, a quite common sign in CAD programs for snapping. But your're right, I should add an Icon- and abbreviation-index to the manual.
The problem here is the exact overlapping of the faces - OpenGl sometimes/somewhere renders the one face in front and then the other. To avoid this you have to move one face very slightly up or down, that means every second copied object in your case.
Here the problem is that you zoomed out too much (far below 0.1): The problem again is due to OpenGl, which only renders objects between a near and far "clipping plane". You just have to zoom in up to ca. 1x, and then dolly back (pan-strip on the right) until you have everything in view again. Or just use default view from the V-menu.
I've such a mirror feature on my todo list already - expect it in 1-2 months.
I'll think about how to make the axis selection easier, but I think buttons on the left would clutter the interface too much, at least on phones.
I did some model smaller then 1000 vertex with free version.
But, I still can't map a texture to multiple faces. When I selected an image to use as texture, it was repeated more then 3. I want to know the ways to map an image as a texture.
And, Where can I share model I made?... Thank You.
You know you can enlarge the tripod in the preferences? - It should then really be no problem to select an axis.
I noticed there is a bug with the axis selection, I think you have to tap the end of the axes-lines, I'll change that so you can tap the axis-line anywhere.
You have to chose the right projection (any other than "per face", and then adjust the "scale" so the texture is not repeated.
See the manual (http://www.scalisoft.com/Creating, changing and assigning materials.htm)!
You can share your model here: http://polycount.com/discussion/106465/first-full-featured-3d-modeling-software-for-android-tablets/p3
i encountered a problem with the application. when i follow the quick start tutorial, the app closes when i tap collapse.
otherwise i really like the app.
Thanks for your message, and sorry for the bug. There were two things wrong, actually: Confusingly, there are two commands named collapse in the menu: The first, which is always there in the modify-ribbon is to simplify the mesh. The second, that appears when a modifier is active is to change the modifier to a normal mesh to make the elements editable.
You must have invoked the first collapse, I've now fixed the bug that caused the crashing (update should be available the next hours). For the tutorial, you have to use the second collapse.
I'll soon revise the whole UI and resolve the problem with the two collapse commands.
1) I know that now it's only per vertex lighting in spacedraw. Will the pixel lighting added? Now I must sub-sub-sub..... subdiwide the objects to make nice result (look to attached screenshots). It will be add more capabilities in drawing compositions and making beatuful scenes if you will add per-vertex lighting.
2) Specular isn't true if light is situated in a border of the screen. I will add the screenshots to explane what I mean
3) Light intensity isn't true too. If I create a textured plane for example, I can't make it realy brightly. Bright areas on objects are clamped. I wil add the screenshots to explane what I mean again )
looks fine. clamping absolutely white color.
but if I choose dark texture it will clamp gray color. It's must to bee brither then on this picture
and also I have one qustion about UI. I can try to help you with UI. May bee you need some sketches of UI and icons or anything also? I can try to draw something in photoshop. I realy want to help you with this project.
Another question - is the offitial site is updating? It still shows 1.3.0.5 last wersion of SD
and the last thing. I dont know is it a bug or a feature, but now text isn't readeble (you can see it on the screenshots). Problem was come with last SD update. I have the same result on mali400, adreno 305 and tegra4 GPU-s
And offcource - sory for my english if it's bad)) I'm from Russia. If you don't understand anything in my message, please let my know int.
Spin Edge, Relax Loop, Flow Connect, PolyDraw, and any other feature, not already in Spacedraw, you think is possible from the old 3dsmax Polyboost plugin as seen here:
http://www.polyboost.com/features_modelling.htm
You're right saying that subdividing like crazy in Spacedraw makes the lights look more efficient, exactly as subdividing in ZBrush makes Polypaint more defined. But with a well thought light division, a texture and a bit of (eventually) manual vertex coloring, you can get proper atmospheric results on a scene with few polys. Check the quick scene I just did to illustrate that.
http://mcassar.free.fr/spacedraw/Tutos/LowPolyVertexColor.spah
On a bigger scene with a few thousand polys and well thought lights position + manual vertex color + painted textures, you can do some great looking PS2 graphics using only Spacedraw and Artflow (for example)
[quote="Zaitsev9797"]and the last thing. I dont know is it a bug or a feature, but now text isn't readeble (you can see it on the screenshots). Problem was come with last SD update. I have the same result on mali400, adreno 305 and tegra4 GPU-s [/quote]
I never had such an issue until : right now ! I was working on the scene above, Spacedraw crashed. I restarted it (you loose eventually the last few clics maximum, crashes are really not an issue with Spacedraw which is great. Undos are kept) and the text displayed wrong. Weird. But all is fine again now ...
I uploaded the mesh of the book here if anyone's interested :
http://mcassar.free.fr/ZBrush/Book-Spacedraw-Hansolocambo.obj
model
Like any good 3D Soft, Spacedraw is deep, complex. And confusing at first. But it is worth persevering. Thanks Scalisoft for your talented coding !
https://sketchfab.com/models/50c9695019c24aa9aaa8653cecfc0d08
https://sketchfab.com/models/583037451cd54fcaa4f842f00eb09bb5
https://sketchfab.com/models/7a46194e14144ea4a49f6819016f04e5
https://sketchfab.com/models/70b049103b0349ff92bd49d0301f278c
Choose Settings / Navigation / First Person for the last link. To navigate, use the mouse + keyboard arrows.
https://sketchfab.com/models/9b5528dbcd6c4530917e947256391c6c
Texture Problem:
When I apply a texture to one object the other object also gets same texture applied.
It might just be my lack of not knowing the correct settings any suggestions?