HATRED: has senseless violence in video game gone too far? (Yes)...
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I've seen no thread reporting on the new ''super dark'' edgy controversive game Hatred: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrX7G-1xPLs
I generally don't care but this is the kind of thing that gives video games bad reputation ; dixit young boys going in schools and shootings people bcoz of games...
And now with the new generation of consoles, woth visuals approaching more and more from reality, we might have second look on these things.
I generally don't care but this is the kind of thing that gives video games bad reputation ; dixit young boys going in schools and shootings people bcoz of games...
And now with the new generation of consoles, woth visuals approaching more and more from reality, we might have second look on these things.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HsVK92ep0U
Just looking at it on a gameplay level, though... The controversial aspects add nothing you couldn't have with things that are funner and much less controversial. The art and style are bland, too.
I don't see much to converse about, to be entirely honest. "Team releases game that is controversial in attempt to be 'dark', 'edgy' and use the generated controversy to sell a game that would be kinda generic otherwise."
EDIT: After reading Skamberin's comment, if it's intended to be that kind of game, it could have done a much better job and been at least 10x more effective than what I'm getting from this trailer.
It's a game about mindless hatred, and it portrays it exactly like that, mindless and filled with hate. The devs seem pretty aware of what they are doing, portraying something pretty common (violence in a videogame) in a very uncomfortable way, which I like.
Makes you think I guess.
other recent games did the same, like Gone Home or The Stanley Parable, and those games got loads of praise, I guess people just dismiss this cause it's violent.
No doubt the salami slices will flock to this making another new generation of meat.
...seriously though, that game doesn't look fun at all. Even so far as "kill people" games go, that just does not look at all appealing.
"Meat games", hilarious
Well, in multiple games they give you the occasion to kill innocent civilians, but rarely they make of it the main GOAL of the game.
If in the game, they ask you to kill civilians, there is generally a motive behind it I guess; or at least, it's not something the mission asks you to do on purpose.
Again, this thread could be a good occasion to reload the neverending debate of violence in games...I don't know.
I ripped this straight from the comments on Polygon, but it sums up my view on that pretty nicely.
"This is exactly how I feel. In GTA, the people that happen to be around are inconsequential. The mood of GTA is more like South Park, intentionally cynical and goofy, so if you go off the rails for a moment, thats whatever; it also gives you the option to be a normal citizen. Theres no rule that says you cant follow all the traffic laws and play golf all day. Violence is just you doing a thing during a moment; its not the entire point.
With Hotline Miami, its hyperviolent, but that violence is used as an aesthetic. Its meant to be extremely disturbing when you beat someone into the ground, or take off their head with a shotgun. Its not meant to feel good. "Youre meant to go, WOW, that was awful, but Im glad I didnt die!" The violence is important to the narrative.
With this game, its just glorification of mass shootings and senseless violence. All the people, at least in the trailer, are just there. They run in fear, beg for you not to shoot, and die in brutally realistic ways. And given the plot the devs have set up, it seems that is the point. This wasnt intended to look like an artistic expression of violence. Youre literally a serial killer just having a blast massacring people. Thats just disturbing, and its exactly how so much of the public outside the video game industry views our games: senselessly violent to the point where it glorifies dehumanization. We know the difference between an edgy game like GTA, a artistic game like Hotline Miami, and just crap. But many who dont play games cant see that, and this is the bad example theyll no doubt see."
Reskin Nathan Drake into a columbine shooter and make all his enemies cops and students.
I honestly believe a game that glorifies dehumanization and rewards violent misanthropy can work as a pretty good comment on society itself and how we treat violence.
Remember, if this game was instead about having visual consensual sex, people would have a bigger problem with it.
I'm glad it's being made and I'll buy it. Mechanics look interesting, destructible environments, kill moves and isometric view shooting are all good things.
Animations look pretty decent too, love the cloth physics. Nice to see the Unreal engine used for something not first or traditional third person
I don't enjoy games like GTA either, but at least in games like GTA there is a story and you aren't actually forced to go and massacre an entire town of people.
Also, according to some commenters, the developers are apparently neo-nazis. Not sure how true that one is though, lol.
"...just don't try this at home and don't take it too seriously, it's just a game.
The question you may ask is: why do they do this? These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment – we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure. Herecomes our game, which takes no prisoners and makes no excuses. We say ‘yes, it is a game about killing people’ and the only reason of the antagonist doing that sick stuff is his deep-rooted hatred. Player has to ask himself 'what can push any human being to mass-murder'. We provoke this question using new Unreal Engine 4, pushing its physics (or rather PhysX) systems to the limits and trying to make the visuals as good as possible. It's not a simple task, because of the game's non-linear structure and a lot of characters on the screen. But here at Destructive Creations, we are an experienced team and we know how to handle the challenge!"
http://www.destructivecreations.pl/
I find their reason interesting, but we all know once News Outlets get a whiff of this, they're gonna go to town with it.
I probably won't play it, I have a tendency to place myself in the main character's shoes. Playing Renegade Shepard in Mass Effect 3 made me feel like an asshole, lol.
As much as I'd like to agree with your view that this is a comment, I really don't think it is. The devs themselves make it sound like they want to push against the "politically correct" colourful games.
And even if it is a self-aware critique, it'd have to be done with a far more skilful hand than this. You must be ->> this intellectual to ride this ride.
I guess, but they might be doing false marketing. Heck maybe if this games does well, they'll make a sequel, where you play as a the paramedics who are first on the scene of the aftermath of the first game.
But seriously, mechanically it honestly looks kind of fun. Games like Crimsonland had me playing for hours, and this is pretty much and extension of that dressed up in Rampage like clothing.
I'm going to go ahead and assume the protagonist got picked on at school. Or maybe he went to the DMV, either of those things could cause somebody to want to commit mass murders!
This game seems to be taking on a more "serious" approach to the topic of mass murder whereas a game like Postal is more "whacky" in the sense that there is a lot of dark humor. One of the developers of P2 even posted on reddit saying this game is nothing like Postal.
"Dude this is so HARD CORE"
"You are a baby if you don't play this"
I can already hear this echoing, and then the soccer mom will scream about this.
The esrb will have to make even more restrictions.
This is insane, we need more rpgs and platformers not this horrid mess, they've made an industry shift already. It's time to fight back fellows, we cannot let the insecure meats flourish and spread their poisonous spores.
You're just making me more hungry for a delicious meat game!
I don't want them to succeed if this is what they have to offer to the world. I'll vote with my wallet. My vote is 'not thanks, go away.'
There's tons of games seen a tasteless violence simulators, and if you want to prove this game is any worse, I'd wait until the whole game is released.
And there's plenty of movies built on the same things.
Hell I have an idea for a politically fueled video game that most people would view as tasteless, but I feel actually has valid criticisms and points to make.
Requoting this as Sean did on Page 1:
What this trailer told me is this game is about murder for the sake of murder. This game is trash. ("But, but.. Postal!") Postal was also trash.
I don't know if your are being sarcastics (ehh internet), but..
I played Carmaggedon, Postal, Blood, Soldier Of Fortune, when I was something between 8 and 12. Oh and watched all those B class action movies.
Yet I don't go out to streets killing people.
But when I start hearing about political correctness I have urge to find those people and push political correctness trough their throats until they start choking with it.
Political Correctness is the worst thing ever happen to western world.
As for trailer it self it honestly made me laugh. It's beyond my imagination why would anyone treat it seriously. It's so much over the top, that it is not realistic in any way.
There is one. Though I don't remember it's name.
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One more thing. I didn't even know this game exist, until everyone started talking about it.
Now I honestly considering just checking it out.
I say good job everyone. You now provide better viral campaign, that any of marketing departments can dream of.
I can't imagine anyone says otherwise about Postal. I never played Postal 1. I played Postal 2... It was a horrible game. I was really young and I still found it tasteless, horrible stuff. You could pee on people... why people want to make games where you pee on people ... ? :<
This game won't make any person worse than they are. It's pointless though. No one needs this game. The only people that want that game are teenagers. Not because they are easliy corrupted. They just don't know better (yet). That's what being a kid is. It doesn't mean it will destroy their psyche.
If this game comes out just don't buy it. Yeah media may (it may not; there is a chance no one will care) use it against game industry. I know that they will overreact. Those guys needs smack in the back of their head though.
Game will come out -> there will be (is) some controversy -> it will sell purely (i hope) -> in the meantime more great games worth your time will come out. Just don't support this crap and stop shouting 'think about the kids'.
Everything will be find! This doesn't make this industry worse.
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iniside: So we shouldn't talk about it? Because it will get attention? That's silly logic. That's the problem with many things nowadays. Don't talk about it and pretend it's not there and it will go away!
The problem is not about political correctness. As you can see you CAN make about something like that. You are allowed to. I belive that's good you can make anything you want as long as you don't hurt anyone else. But why would you make game about shooting defenseless people in the face when they beg for their life? Because REBEL & FUCK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS?
Also, now you want to check it out................? If you do, you will support this bullshit and you can't blame anyone but yourself. Don't try to say that it's the fault of people who told you it exists.
It is the time to take a step back and look at games as they are, they're implementing the same gore-mechanics that has been a standard in games for quite some time.
Most recently we've had so much super fun decapitating and exploding the heads of orcs in shadows of mordor, the most fun genocide I've had in ages! And this worked because none of us has actually been in mordor to experience that setting.
It's not real we will say.
The call of duty series?, not many of us has experienced that setting either, it's all in good fun!
Now this game?, It only had to take one step away from current games to end up where it is now. The setting changed to something horrifyingly familiar and the player does some hideous things.
The reality is that I want to defend games as many ways to express things or the occasional experimental trip down exploring the most horrible parts of what makes humans.
So it's fine to question these guys motives, but it's a bit weird to call them out as assholes while one is modelling yet another human being to become the murder-target to the player in the next upcoming game.
Not likely, most of the people here who like these games have been playing them since they were nine.
TeriyakiStyle
Gotta work my way up the latter, that will be awhile.
AtticusMars
But the less meaty games which still have a good chunk of such, sell excellently, which is a problem. It will just be a matter of time before this becomes the norm.
iniside &ZacD &TeriyakiStyle
Well that's just you, the majority of the meat dudes I am talking about aren't psychopathic killers; they are small men boasting their false bravado in these tough guy games.
Majority of meats can't be tough guys in irl and they feel the need to do so through these games and the internet.I saw a special once on techtv, and the creator of a meat game said that the main character of the game was what he wish he could be. They constantly impose this on others and mock games that aren't "macho" or the thought of playing them because it demeans their masculinity.
I was yelled at by a meat dude because I suggested playing a certain game.
Also the same mentality can be applied to those who hate the tropes lady; they are intimidated and angry that someone would dare comment on this.
The reason why they would make this game is for the spirit of meat games, senseless hate-filled violence for the sake of it so that they could provide it to fellows who feel the need to be big men.
Oh for fuck's sake, get off your high horse. And posting images like that is just asking for a lynch mob assembly.
That's a bit pushing it isn't it?
Personally, I don't see the big deal. We've had stuff like this for years and we will have more of it. What worries me more is the fact that people have this attitude, that games like this are somehow representative of the whole medium. This is not representative of games any more than gore-porn like Human Centipede is representative of the film industry. We're so quick to call for witchhunts over something that would otherwise be very quickly forgotten.
Heartless bastards!
which i think is bad. and it makes for a bad game. and a unethical game.
if it turns out that the game makers have a huge point in the end of the game, that makes you relise something, like how its a commantary on voilence or something, then i think its justified. but NOTHING shown so far has given any hint of such. therefore i think its a shitty game. and i dont think people should play it.
just depicting something isnt really a commantary btw. using that card is kind of cheap. is that rape simulation game a commentary on rape? is cod a commantary on the horrors of war? is farmville a commantary on the manipulation of peoples moeny spending habits?
NO, of course not! all those games are like that to serve their own purposes, like getting money, or depicting rape to sell to rape fetischists. and thats not a commentary of any kind.
i also agree partly with valuemeal.
I don't even see the point of posting this picture here? That's asking for a witch-hunt.
feel sorry for Epic.
ps had a look at the trailer, i found its dreadfully dodgy, it clearly shows some of the targets are police and ethnic/minority people, the killer's outfit is quite questionable as well, feels like a bunch of skinheads want to get high on their own game, anyway, I think any sane player should keep clear steer of this one!
Load out has too many players and it's a game of a very bad taste, but... it's a total fun!
This game remembers me actual events of massacres in USA, it might be a great simulator for actual terrorists right?. Maybe it's like an invitation for: "hey kids, grab your machine gun/sniper rifle and kill all walking men/women at your high-school/neighborhood/city".
Come on, come on, let's be objetive and serious, there are films worse than this game, much worse, and games as well. COD MW2 had a "cool mission/map": to kill all people in an airport, the police, SWATs, and all... it seems ironic.
Kane and Lynch, Left 4 Dead, Sleeping Dogs, GTA, Hitman Absolution, Postal Series, AC franchise, Dishonored, CODs, and a large etc are just a feast for killing. We could say in all the games you kill someone/something
If you don't want to see games like this, play kirby games and protest with every action movie produced in hollywood. For example, the movies of 300 and 300: Rise of an Empire are two great films that invite you to this desire: "i want to be and kill like them".
Also this links points to pretty shitty journalism. '...developed by Neo Nazis'. They are not neo nazis. They have two guys with fucked up opinions. Maybe more of them are 'badly educated'. We don't know. Doesn't sound like pleasant guys but shouting 'NOE NAZIS' is a click bait.