[Riot Art Contest] - Fizz

Waterbear

Finals!










and I did this one for fun





I had an awesome time! I'm so glad I finished! Good luck, everyone!



Hi there, I'll be trying Fizz.

This is my second contest ever so here's hoping it goes well! I've never played LoL, anyone know where I can get a good look at his back? I'm downloading the game as I type but is there a concept art gallery somewhere?


I'm doing the original!

UltraLrod

http://www.lolking.net/models/?champion=105&skin=0

Waterbear

Question for the pros!

Anyone know of a good tutorial for posing the high res model in brush for the beauty shot? I suck at posing in zbrush.

Thanks!


Adding goals too!

Personal goals for this contest
1) Start the character in zbrush, no maya
2) Learn dynamesh
3) Retopo the character w/o maya
4) Make a sweet hand painted texture

Ramrok

You can pose using mask+transpose tool or transpose master or rigging with zspheres... google and youtube should have plenty of tuts as well as pixologic classroom.

Waterbear

Great! Thank you for the help!

Waterbear

I finally got a chance to sculpt something. This is my first attempt with dynamesh on a character. This is still so far from even the base being done, but it's time for bed!

Waterbear

Lots of updates today! I'm still loving dynamesh!

Stuey

Hey nice start so far he's looking good :thumbup:

Waterbear

Thanks, Stuey!

What do people think about the shape of the head?

ethwaites

The eye shape doesn't look quite right and the head feels a little too thin. Besides that the proportions are looking pretty close.

slosh

I agree with ethwaites. Great blockout so far though!

Waterbear

Perfect, thanks! I'll work on those.

Waterbear

Fizz head updates! I made my first insert mesh brush, that is shit is awesome.

Waterbear

Does Fizz have suckers on his palms and fingers? Its hard to tell

Edit: found a good angle, looks like he doesn't

Waterbear

Update! Yes! Finally got some time to sculpt

I'm thinking I'll finish up this sculpt tomorrow, and then tackle his weapon. If you see anything odd, please let me know! Thanks.

Waterbear

I'm working on the trident now. Anyone now how to set up the subtools so that when I merge the 3 trident blades into one subtool, I can sculpt with symmetry? This is only my second weapon, in zbrush.


Also, what's the best way to approach the red wrapping on the pole?

Waterbear

Update!

Waterbear

Update! Spending Black Friday sculpting, was way better than venturing outside. I'm nearing completion on the high res, so if you see anything, please let me know.

Have a great day!

Waterbear

I just found out that I have tonight free, so I’m hoping to retopo this guy tonight. I’ve never done that before. I have topogun, xnormal, and zbrush.

Anyone have a good tutorial that they can recommend to me for retopo, projecting the high level details, and baking out maps?

I plan on searching tonight but I figured I would ask to try to save some time weeding through crappy tutorials.

Thanks and have a good one!

Waterbear

Hi Everyone,

I'm still working on the retopo, and I'm wondering just how many pieces, Fizz should be?

What's best: combining the head and tentacles or leaving them as 4 parts (head, tentacle pair 1, 2, 3)?

Keep the teeth and eyes separate or make them part of the head?

I have zbrush 4r5

Thanks!

TomGT

I usually keep teeth separate, I think they are easier to manage that way.

As for eyes, I'd keep them in one mesh to save polys. I think the in-game LoL models do this too.

Good luck with the retopo.

Waterbear

Thanks man! Another question, how do you go about doing the retopo for the very back of the mouth? Hide the upper 1/2 of the head, retopo the lower jaw, and vice versa? Is there a better way?

Waterbear

Here's what I have so far. It took a bit for me to get the hang of doing this. I normally start in Maya first so I've never done the retopo this way. I look forward to learning more as I go. I'm not sure if it's too dense or not; I guess I'll see what the count it and reduce if needed. Helper lines are painted. Wish me luck!

D_Wall

I'd do something separate for the eye topology; if you haven't started retopo either then I'd suggest trying to push some of the smaller details on the highrez too; good job just needs a slight more oumph

Waterbear

Thanks!

I can pop the eyes out, no problem.

As far as the tiny high red details, I keep feeling that way too! Then I check out the concept and I'm like, " damn, that's a pretty simple character. What do I do?"

In other words, I want to push the details, I just don't know where to start. Any advise?

Thanks! I'll be working on him all weekend so we will see how it goes

Waterbear

Holy crap, that was long! Yet, educational

My first retopo in zbrush. I think I'll UV this bad boy now.

In term of workflow, will this work?

1) Make this an adaptive skin and export it out.
2) Uv it in Headus (I'm thinking I can share almost all of this character. I think he's just split down the center)
3) Load both the low res and high res into Xnormal and bake maps (does the high res need UV data before hand?)
4) Paint the texture
5) Rig in Maya
6) Render

Am I missing any steps?

Waterbear

Trying to make the low res trident now, but I'm running into a strange issue. I made a post about it here, in the hopes of getting a timely response.

http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2204722#post2204722

Here's the issue (the verts have snapped to each other)

slosh

Hmm, can't help you with the retopo issue as I use the quaddraw feature in maya for all my retopo work. As for the pipeline you mentioned above, it looks correct but you certainly do not need UVs on the hires...just the lowres. Oh and make sure you either create a cage for your low poly or use the ray distance calculator in xnormal. Low poly on fizz looks clean btw!

Waterbear

Haha! I did it! My first shot at retopology was slow and annoying, but I totally got a mesh out of it!
UV and baking tomorrow

Waterbear

@ Torch: My Maya is mad old (2009). It's the next thing I plan to update. I'll check it out though!

@Slosh: Thanks for the tips. I'll look into that cage thing tomorrow when I bake everything.

I did the UVS tonight!

Waterbear

I remember zbrush producing bad results if the Uvs are sharing the same space.

Is this true for xnormal? I was going to try out those DOTA baking tutorials available on the front page if polycount tonight.

Waterbear

I baked that fish some maps, fishes love maps.

Waterbear

Added some colors today

Waterbear

I got a crit on Facebook of all places to edit the eyes; turns out they were pretty far off. I spent some quality time with the LoLKing model viewer and the low ploy model and got this! He looks way closer. I didn't realize how far off his face was until I looked at the two screenshots side by side.
Then, I popped him in zbrush to polypaint out some seams. C&C welcome!

Yes. Some are red. And some are blue.
Some are old. And some are new.
Some are sad.
And some are glad.
And some are very, very bad.

wizo

looking good man, very nice update!
here is the last touches I would try to put in if you got time:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fik10avimi8ec3o/fizz_tip.jpg?dl=0

go go go! : )

Waterbear

@Wizo, dude, a paint over! You are too good to me.

I'm worried though, I'm working off this: http://www.lolking.net/models/?champion=105&skin=0

As you can see, the little guy has no definition. He's freakin' scrawny. Do you think I should still add in the definition on the torso? I've been struggling with this very subject since the beginning. I always want to add more, and then I look at the reference and back off.

I can definitely touch up the eye area though, that's a great idea!

slosh

I wouldn't add that much definition. I would add warmth to some of your highlights however. Looking great so far btw!

wizo

Waterbear - sure no prob! I agree he does need to feel soft more than defined, but just one or two softshadows in the right spot might help out. Check out the illustration you are basing this off, he definately has some small subtlies going on, nothing major, its some really cool character you got there : )

slosh - yeah I agree maybe that is a bit of overkill on the pec and muscles, it was a late night paintover haha.

Waterbear

@Slosh, sure thing. I'm doing texture updates to night. I'll put a little heat in the highlights
@Wizo, I'll add some extra shadows while I'm fixing the texture.

Thanks, guys!

Oh and I forgot to post this last night, a little pose action while I was waiting on texture crits. I wanted him to look like he was in the water. Its still WIP, but I got tired. :P

Back at it tonight through!

Waterbear

Here is the updated pose and texture. I'm excited to try some renders out soon.

C&C welcome as always

D_Wall

anything to get the vibe that he's got that mucoprotein coating (aka fish slime) on him would help alot too, but getting some warmth in the highlights will definitely help too. You're almost there man!

Waterbear

Hmm, fish slime, that's a really cool idea. I wonder how I could do it?

Oh maybe bake out a material from zbrush that's shiney?

What do you think for a warm highlight color? Yellow?

D_Wall

orange and yellows, because yellow is brighter but orange is the compliment to blue; should be really subtle though; overlay with a lower opacity to give it a shot.

And yeah that might work! i didn't think of a zbrush render pass, but that'd probably do it; just make sure the lighting in the zbrush scene is the same as the light you painted in on the model!

Waterbear

Can anyone get one of these to open in Photoshop? I need a logo on a transparent background and all 3 sizes on this page won't open for me.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/File:League_of_legends_logo_transparent.png

Goldo_O

If you can't open PNG files for some reason, I uploaded a psd and a 32 bits TGA on my dropbox.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4476am6hplcwo8o/LOL.psd?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dvul9zi10r1lked/LOL.tga?dl=0

Let me know if it works and good luck! Your Fizz is looking super sweet!

Waterbear

Thanks Goldo! They worked

Now, that I've slept, I'll write a few things. This contest was amazing and fun! Thanks Riot!

I chose Fizz because he's relatively simple and since I'm just getting back into 3D, I wanted to learn a bunch of things. I am very happy to have met my personal goals of:

1) Start the character in zbrush, no maya
2) Learn dynamesh
3) Retopo the character w/o maya
4) Make a sweet hand painted texture

I didn't even expect to finish and I'm so glad I did. Cheers!

Finals!










and I did this one for fun





I had an awesome time! I'm so glad I finished! Good luck, everyone!

Xyniph

Congrats on finishing! He came out great; and good that you were able to use him as a platform to get some workflow practice. Always really liked Fizz. Considered doing him for the contest early on. Us sea creature entries gotta stick together, hah.

tangerineismine

Looks great! Good job on the presentation sheets too. Looks really fun and totally works for the character.

Waterbear

@Xyniph, Thanks! I want to try to use each contest as a reason to work on skills I'm lacking. My next project will be an armor heavy character. I suck at armor, but I love looking at beautifully sculpted armor. I need to learn how to make it.

I don't play LoL, but as far as I can tell, Fizz would be my guy

@ tangerineismine, Thank you! I wanted it to be playful and I'm so pleased it came off. With a title of "The Tidal Trickster", I figured there was a good deal of foolishness involved with him. I loved how happy and mischievous he looked, so I couldn't say no.

Moonstone

He`s lovely ^_^
I agree to your approach to chose themes wich you are not familiar with. Good luck with next character!

wizo

gratz on a great character, well done on completing your objectives and finishing strong!