WIP Armored Vehicle

BBFirefly

Working on a armored vehicle, the kind you might see in the film Death Race or if Batman stopped giving a fuck and started killing the bad guys instead. Taking inspiration from this but I'm not aiming to straight up copy it:



Progress so far. Wheels are placeholder pieces obviously.



C&C would be much appreciated

Rawbert

Haven't I seen this before ?

BBFirefly

It was posted over in the what are you working on thread but I thought if I could post all my progress stuff together then it'd be a bit neater for me

BBFirefly

So this is what it looks like atm.



The main part of the car I believe is more or less done, I'll just need to go over and add/remove details so that it isn't just a symmetrical model. Oh and add a big-ass gun or two.

I've also thrown it on Sketchfab in the hopes that you guys might be able to have a real look at it and give me some pointers on some bad areas of topology, in particular above the rear wheels.

https://sketchfab.com/models/7f61f244c774469aac0a62ebee28a8b6

There is still no underbelly on it as I forgot to add that in and the wheels are still just placeholders.

neilberard

Way too many edgeloops on the body, especially the wheel wells.

BBFirefly

Yeah I'll be removing the ones going across the bonnet and various other across the main body but thats the only way I've been able to get the smoothness I wanted on the wheel wells

SimonAlbon3D

That's one of the problems I face when vehicle modelling. To achieve quad topology I use swift loop in 3DS Max, but unless the mesh is built from different parts, you end up with edge loops all over the place, becomes very difficult to manage as well as messy and high poly in all the wrong places, I'll be watching this thread closely to see what people's solutions are to this.

Mawcos

First of all, you can remove this edgeloop. It does nothing for the geometry.



Second, by capping the wheel cylinder like this you can continue to model the it way more easier, and faster for that matter.

Kimon

Also, think about how stuff is made up in real life. It's very rare, even for vehicles that the whole body is just one solid piece. Take a humvee like this one for example:



Lots of different plates and stuff welded together. Hard surface modeling is difficult as it is, no need to make it even more so by trying to make crazy shapes as one solid piece with edge loops running everywhere. You will save youself a lot of headache by just thinking "does this really look like it's made from ONE piece?" if its not, just make it seperate, will make stuff sooo much easier Good luck!

For the high poly that is, for the low poly you usually want to keep a lot more as one solid mesh.

simmou23

wish you best luck ?
why not use zbrush directly ?

BBFirefly

Would it be worth deleting everything in front of the windshield and redo-ing it in sections rather than as part of one mesh and cut right down on the loops? I'd probably do the same for the back too. I kinda like the way the rest of it has come together though. Thanks for all the feedback, it's really helping

SimonAlbon3D

BBFirefly wrote: »

Would it be worth deleting everything in front of the windshield and redo-ing it in sections rather than as part of one mesh and cut right down on the loops? I'd probably do the same for the back too. I kinda like the way the rest of it has come together though. Thanks for all the feedback, it's really helping

It would probably make your mesh more manageable, like others have said, building something like this in 3D should be built as it is in the real world, different parts = different models, then you can attach/combine them to just have one model where (in 3DS Max) only 1 modifier stack would be needed.

I have a question for the peeps on here however, if we look at the HUMVEE that has been pictured, or any vehicle for that matter, how would one create the seamlines between panels, such as the gap between the body and the doors for example. I can see extruding the mesh being quite messy and needlessly expensive. (I would post this in my own thread but I'm not allowed to create one yet).

BBFirefly

SimonAlbon3D wrote: »

I have a question for the peeps on here however, if we look at the HUMVEE that has been pictured, or any vehicle for that matter, how would one create the seamlines between panels, such as the gap between the body and the doors for example. I can see extruding the mesh being quite messy and needlessly expensive. (I would post this in my own thread but I'm not allowed to create one yet).

That was one of my reasons for doing the doors etc. the way I did - shaped the bottom panel, then Inset and Bevel to get the secondary panels - because I didn't see a cleaner way of doing it.

deohboeh

Hey! I was thinking about uploading this today and then I saw your post. http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2084372#post2084372

I hope this helps.

BBFirefly

They look like I could have used them a week or so ago I'll definitely keep those in mind when I get round to redoing parts though, thanks.

BBFirefly

I've said it before and I'll probably say it again before long, but I do think the base model is more or less done - minus making it asymmetrical. The poly count can probably be trimmed down some but not enough for me to be too bothered by it anymore seeing as I'm starting to get sick of this thing now. Any last pointers or critiques before I move on?



Placed correctly

BBFirefly

Those images AREN'T the most up to date ones. I did an oopsie and uploaded the wrong ones. The polys are a fair bit tidier on my current version but I'm not on my PC now to upload the right ones.

Cay

The interesting thing in the concept is the different shapes all over, if you just make the side, the top, the front, the engine cover and so on flat planes where nothing really happens it will look very bad.. like a bad car design

Nail the shapes with basic primitives (and keep them separate for ease of work) before you go on.
Right now you seem to be fighting with topology, when you should just focus on getting the blockout right.

just my opinion, keep working on it! it's a very cool concept

BBFirefly

Finally got out of bed, here are the correct images. Tidied up the edges and loops. The wheels still have the symmetry loop and there are a few edges that got cut in in the export.

BBFirefly

I think I'm good to go texturing finally. The gun is a bit different in the vehicle shot than it is in the gun only shot - the gun only shot being the ACTUAL one (actually has 2 handles and cut the polys down some).

Any pointers or critiques?




I think I might try and do a bit more with the gun mount.

BBFirefly

Basic colour blockout. Not happy with the wheels yet but the rest looks okay to me. Going hella slowly because as soon as it gets to texturing, I lose all interest.