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"Just keep doing what you're doing!"

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anglorum polycounter lvl 6
Lately I've been feeling really low on juice. Normally I'm a super energetic and confident person, when it comes to my dreams and hopes on where I want to wind up in the games industry. I want to work as an environment or prop artist at Blizzard Entertainment, and have wanted to for a good long time now.


For all the way back as I can remember I never doubted my ability to do so up until very recently. I'm a strong believer in the "Say it enough to yourself and it WILL happen mentality." so I'm not really sure what brought about this change. I feel like lately I've just been floundering, and that I'm running on fumes so far as staying motivated is concerned. I might have had a day or two a year that I really just didn't see myself getting anywhere, but recently it's really just felt like I'm never going to get to my dream job.

I've been in contact with various people in the industry and a lot of them tell me to "Just keep doing what you're doing." but I'm really not sure that that's enough anymore. As much as I appreciate each and every one of their feedback, what I'm doing doesn't seem to be working.

What I'd like to know though, Polycount, is what you guys do when you feel like there is no light at the end of the tunnel, and the next breakthrough is millions of light-years away, if it's there at all? I would appreciate any and all advice you can offer.

-Thanks-

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  • Makkon
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    Makkon polycounter
    Take a break, you don't want to reach burnout. Do something else for a while. Take up a new hobby or revisit an old one to rest your mind and rejuvenate yourself. R&R isn't just nice, it's essential!
  • jddg5wa
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    jddg5wa polycounter lvl 8
    If your tired of design work and stressed do like Makkon said and take a break. You can easily get burned out if you are always doing the same thing. You need a variety of experiences to fuel your creativity.

    If your not tired of design work but really are just feeling like it's all for naught then you may need to just reassess your goals. You know what you want to do so why is one day when you feel down any different than the day before when you felt good? It is usually not. One day is not going to lower your chances of success and even so you can raise your chances the next day.

    The real question is, since you know where you going, do you know what you are doing? As in do you know what you are doing to get to your goal? Just keep doing what you're doing does not mean much if your not aware of what you are doing.
  • iniside
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    iniside polycounter lvl 6
    Go play some games, or star learning programming. If you already know how to code you can start making game, or website.
    It helps.At least me. Especiallt coding.
  • PyrZern
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    PyrZern polycounter lvl 12
    I don't know how 'Just keep doing what you're doing' came to be. But it's never a good idea to stagger. Everyone has to keep getting better and better. Everyone I know, hired by big companies, and still trying alike, are getting better almost everyday. Try something you haven't done before for a change.

    And yeah, recreational. Learn ballroom dancing for a change. :)
  • Torch
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    Torch polycounter
    There are tons and tons of lack of motivation threads on here, try to look a few up and you'll see the OP's got the exact same advice - take a break, don't burn out and after being away from work for a while you'll be itching to get back to it.
  • Tomm
    Just take a break and watch some ghibli movies, works every time.:thumbup:
  • rino
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    rino polycounter lvl 12
    it never happened to me, so i can't comment on that. but when i reach the point where i can't work anymore and have no motivation, i take 15 to 30 days off and then i am back.
  • unit187
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    unit187 polycounter lvl 9
    Art is a marathon, not a sprint. Burning out won't help in the long run. So keep it steady, give yourself time to rest, pick up some other hobby, enjoy life.
  • D4V1DC
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    D4V1DC polycounter lvl 18
    Sleep early, wake up early, sleep is essential i found that out i used to feel like this and ever since i made that change I've been able to keep constant with 1 damn piece for over a month without looking at it like i want to kill It. :)

    But yea i took a break here and there, if environment modeling is your career choice find a hobby if you can or learn something else that might benefit that goal.
    Perhaps style studying ? break down what you like find out why you like it and re-create that feeling in your artwork.

    best of luck
  • Torch
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    Torch polycounter
    unit187 wrote: »
    Art is a marathon, not a sprint.

    QFT
    D4V1DC wrote: »
    Sleep early, wake up early, sleep is essential

    I second this as well, also excercise helps a tremendous amount to your psychology and overall feeling of motivation, if you're feeling good about other aspects of your life it'll make you want to push yourself further :)
  • Spoon
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    Spoon polycounter lvl 11
    To try and break the chain of "take a break" posts, my advice is to break the goal down instead. "Working for blizz!" is a nice goal. What do you need to be able to do, to get that job? What skills do you need? Then break down those skills in steps you can take to get better at that skill.
    For example, a character artist will benefit greatly from anatomy studies. And that can be broken down further to muscles, fat, facial expressions, proportions, caricature etc.
    For many people, it is much easier to then get started on improving, because you can then start studying a specific area or sign up for a course that improves THAT point, which gets you 1 skill closer to being able to do the job you want.

    (BTW, if you strictly want to be a prop/env artist, do prop/env work. No need to implement characters in your scenes, IMO. I took a super fast look at your site, with a goblin house or something. My impression is that the texture work was really nice, but the goblin character was lacking and pulled down the overall impression a lot. If you dont want to do characters anyway, why put them in your portfolio? :) )

    After every work you complete, make note of the shortcomings. Why isnt it blizzard level? What could you do better next time, what do you need to practice more of? Start with the skill that is most lacking. Focus on getting ONE thing better at the next project, not all of them at the same time.

    This is just stuff that works for me. It might be different for other people.
    But I hope it can at least give you inspiration for how to help yourself improving.
    Because, as long as you see improvement in your work, you will be motivated, right? :)
  • anglorum
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    anglorum polycounter lvl 6
    Wow guys! Thanks for all the responses. I think more than advice on HOW to handle lack of motivation, I just needed to see that people take breaks. Sometimes I feel like the industry expects you to be this non-stop machine that is constantly running on nuclear powered unstoppable super-passion.

    I'll definitely consider maybe trying to take a break for a week or so at some point soon. Lord knows my fiance wouldn't mind.
  • pior
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    pior grand marshal polycounter
    I personally think it's important to separate being low on juice mentally, VS being low on juice physically.

    Now of course these two are linked (when you are in great shape, chances are, you brain will be pretty energized too) ; but what I am trying to say is, if you feel sleepy/tired ... I think it's a good idea to just embrace it and take a nap, as opposed to "fighting through it". I did the mistake of doing that for a while, and its just counter productive.
  • dfacto
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    dfacto polycounter lvl 18
    Kinda taking this from another angle, but get exercise every day, take vitamin D, get out into the sun (if there is any) and eat fresh fruits, veggies and fish. This kind of stuff can sometimes be about seasonal depression more than reality: No sun, crap weather, staying indoors, possibly less healthy food options, etc. It won't make it go away most likely, but it will improve your mood and well being.
  • praetus
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    I know the feeling. Blizzard is a dream job for me as well. In the mean time, I try to mix things up a bit to keep things fresh. My job has me doing MilSim stuff so it's mainly all high poly hard edge stuff at work, but when I get home I love working on fantasy stuff. Sometimes I'll try and do some sculpts in ZBrush and other times I'll work on low poly old school hand painted stuff. It doesn't always turn out great but it gives me new things to try out. Sometimes it's just a learning experience I'll chuck in a bin, but sometimes I'll get a nice portfolio piece.
  • Minos
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    Minos polycounter lvl 16
    I would say to do the complete opposite and do what you are NOT doing instead! Maybe try to learn a new skill or a new software or even something completely unrelated to game art. Learning is always a motivation booster and no matter what you learn you can always apply it in your career :)
  • JacqueChoi
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    JacqueChoi polycounter
    ON a side note, I absolutely LOVE your texturing.

    ^_^

    You could definitely find a place in the industry while you bide your time.



    If you're running out of juice, get away from a screen.

    Do life drawing, or clay sculpting, or take a class.



    But if I were you, I would consider going to a mobile dev or something for a few years.
  • Pegbird
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    Pegbird polycounter lvl 5
    I would say that you are simply fighting a numbers game. Blizzard probably has the most overflowing HR inbox of any company out there. Everyone and their grandmother wants to work there. It's like being a fantastic singer and lining up with thousands of other fantastic singers to become the next American Idol.

    Your work is excellent, texturing skills are right up there and this probably why you have been hearing "Keep doing what you're doing". Perhaps some attention to the networking / self-promotion side of things is what is needed. Do you know anyone at Blizzard? What other projects are out there that would make a great stepping-stone to work there?

    I wish you the best.
  • anglorum
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    anglorum polycounter lvl 6
    Man! Thanks so much everyone for your varied and thoughtful feedback. It's definitely awesome to hear your guy's feedback on possible strategies that could help me not just feel better about the journey, but get there a little sooner.

    Pior: Yeah. I totally understand. I think I'm pushing myself a little too hard in some areas like my sleep patterns and only getting 5.5 to 6 hours a night. I usually wind up telling myself that I need the extra two hours of work time to get things right in my portfolio, but it's beginning to take a toll, so reassessing all that is probably worth it. Should probably just go ahead and start aiming for 8 a night, as that's what most of those studies show works best.

    Dfacto: So I don't really take any vitamins, but I regularly exercise, about once a day for an hour on my recumbent bike. I play video games while I do this, so it kind of knocks out entertainment for the day, and exercise all at once. I hadn't conisered a vitamin D supplement though, so I'll definitely look into that.

    Praetus: I'm right there with you on trying different stuff. I'm actually on a contract to complete an entire game's environment art in hard surface/deus-exy style of stuff and it's kind of a nice change of pace. Aiming for something like the WoW team though, every second that isn't spent painting hand rendered textures is one that I'm stressing my portfolio isn't growing or evolving fast enough, and I feel that sometimes works against me. Either way, after GDC I'm sure I'll make more time for that sort of thing. Also! Good luck on your treck to blizzard, I've been following your exploits on the site for a while, and you're definitely blazing a path there!

    Minos: That's actually a tip my fiance has been telling me forever. I realize that traditional art is a SUPER huge backbone for a successful artist, and I didn't get nearly as much of a background in fundamentals as I wanted, so I've been wanting to sign up for a community college course in life drawing or still lifes for a while. Maybe it's about time I just buckled down and did it. Thanks man!

    JacqueChoi: Thanks so much for the kind words! That means a lot coming from a lead artist. And I know what you mean about focusing on mobile. I actually worked for a mobile developer for the last year, and we saw fairly limited success on the store. I'm thinking of aiming my sites at one of the "bigger" mobile developers like backflip or something along those lines and seeing how things go though.

    Pegbird: Yeah... the numbers game V____V. Haha it's strange though, because as competitive as it is to get in there, somehow that drives me forward. I feel as though even though there's a metric butt-load of other people trying to get there foot in the door there, if I keep at it long enough, it's inevitable that someone will notice me and give me a shot. I really appreciate the compliments man! And so far as networking is concerned I'm actually going to be going to GDC next week, so I'm really excited to see how all of that works out. I'm hoping to get into the Blizzard party again this year (as I did last year, and it was one of the most heavenly experiences as a developer that I could've hoped for haha) I'm trying to balance that social aspect of everything with literally blowing people's faces off with the best work I can put out there. Gets exhausting, but I'm hoping things will pay off eventually. :D
  • Mask_Salesman
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    Mask_Salesman polycounter lvl 13
    You could try to incorporate a new type of fun into what you are doing, so your still polishing the same skill set but your not doing the same thing over and over again. Spice it up! Make it fun if its not fun enough :)
  • praetus
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    praetus interpolator
    anglorum wrote: »
    Aiming for something like the WoW team though, every second that isn't spent painting hand rendered textures is one that I'm stressing my portfolio isn't growing or evolving fast enough, and I feel that sometimes works against me.

    You can still mix it up while keeping within "Blizzard style" I think. I imagine that most the people on the WoW team can do more than hand painted texturing. The Siege of Ogrimmar image dump shows quite a bit of ZBrush usage. While the end result is diffuse, you can use the AO, cavity, OS normals, and prt_p maps to dump down lighting information. End result is similar but the technique is different.

    Don't be afraid to mix up workflows or try something different from time to time. If you're learning new techniques I'm not really sure it works against you. Research I've done for hard edge modeling and spec/normal mapping has actually helped me with hand painting as I'm more familiar with material definitions.
  • Damian Nachman
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    Damian Nachman polycounter lvl 6
    Try zig-zagging between different activities. Texturing, modeling, sculpting, drawing...
    Sitting for more than a few hours, doing the same thing, will get you mentally exhausted pretty fast. You will start getting diminishing returns in terms of progress, and you will generally feel like shit.

    I like taking 2 hour intervals between different fields. That way my ideas keep flowing, and I avoid frustration and stagnation. Zig-Zagging between different problems is generally the best way to keep things stress free.


    I can also highly recommend "spirit walks".
    Just go for a 30 minute walk each day, and try letting your brain cool down.
    It's pretty hard to get inspiration, when you're sitting in front a screen for 12 hours a day.
  • skankerzero
    I must be the only artist here that doesn't need Vitamin D to function. I prefer zero sunlight actually.
  • Bartalon
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    Bartalon polycounter lvl 12
    I must be the only artist here that doesn't need Vitamin D to function. I prefer zero sunlight actually.
    Ha! I'm right there with you. If only I could live in Washington or something where it's mostly overcast.
  • skankerzero
    There have been times where I have not left the house in days (I work from home). I think my record was 5 days in a row. When I did have to leave, it felt like more of an inconvenience than anything.

    I have all my windows blocked to keep my office nice and dark. A single neon light illuminates everything.
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