Phoenix - Bristleback HornSet

Phoenix995

Hi,

this is my first time, working on a model for Dota... so thats how far i am so far...



the materials i will use a lot is horn, metal and cloth...

what do you guys think? is there something that will not work, or i should change?

- Phoenix

Xajai

I love the concept, but i think you should still add some quills to the back piece. just my opinion tho.

Phoenix995

thanks! i think i will some quills like thinks to the back. thanks for pointing that out!

Coyo.Te

I think it messes too much with the silhouette of the hero.

two_larsens

Hi. Looks good and is very similar to a concept I have in the works myself, but I was thinking that this might be good for some other hero - rather than Bristleback, just because of the bristles. Also, another slight critique (not meant harshly) - that the horns serve some purpose, since it would be a lot to carry on the back for just looks. Not sure, though, and absolutely up to you, of course. Keep up the good work!

Phoenix995

ok, i see what you mean... what part of the model so far would you change?
are you just referring to the big horn at the back or to the one on his head?

MagnoHusein

Coyo.Te wrote: »

I think it messes too much with the silhouette of the hero.

Yes, yes indeed. I took a while to recognize bristleback.

Despite the fact the modelling is great so far, I guess makes it feel like inst' bristleback anymore. if you can fit your concept somewhat close to his original silhouette, I guess you can have good results.

And be careful with the concept to not be much lore breaking.

danjohncox

agreed. the modelling looks great but the concept is problematic as is. the horns on the head too don't fit very well. They're interestingly structured but don't look proper on his head. but you can clearly model whatever ya want

Phoenix995

hm ok i see what you mean...
i will try to put some quills onto his back, to see how the shape changes, and what i can do, to change to overall shape.

and i will try to change the mesh for his head as well!

thank you guys!

Phoenix995

hey you guys

what do you think?
do you think the shape doesnt work at all?

belkun

While it certainly looks like you know what you're doing with all those really great shapes and sculpts, I don't think that it fits Bristleback that much. You got a horns, skulls and chains theme going on, and it just doesn't work with Bristle, and it almost looks like you're making it for Doom.

Phoenix995

hm ok... would you suggest i should put that stuff on doom?

heboltz3

I think its "retrofitable" but you just have to find a character that it will fit well on. Axe comes to mind, but you might be getting really close to garrosh levels of wildness.

belkun

I personally think that the theme you're going for fits Doom perfectly

kendmd

I don't know, I think it looks kinda cool on Bristle. I like what I'm seeing so far, although I do have some feedback for you.

Phoenix995

thank you very much! i will change that immediately!

Phoenix995

thats how far i got today... time is very limited right now...



what do you think about the cloth on his back?

heboltz3

It's pretty hidden. It doesn't affect silhouette, so you might want to consider boosting the scale, and shape of it to make it noticeable. At the moment I think its an okay idea, but it really might just be eating up your tris.

Phoenix995

hm ok i see what you mean...
the only real point, why i put it there is, because i have to cover his back... do you think a metal plate for example would be a better choise?

heboltz3

why do you "have to cover his back"?

I would put something that would make it scream bristleback. Maybe a ton of quills or something.

Putting stuff for the sake of putting stuff isn't going to help the model. I'd put something that will enhance silhouette. or just keep the base mesh

Phoenix995

ok thanks for the advice! i will try putting quills there.

danjohncox

make sure to pick the theme too. I see a human skull. horns, nails, chains, torn cloth, but none of those things are repeated except for the metal plates. If he's wrapping things in chains, wrap more things in chains, if he's wearing horns, more horn elements. Think of removing stuff that doesn't fit that theme like the cloth or human skull and replace those with the things you're already doing.

Phoenix995

thanks for the comment, i took care of it!
the char will now be mainly made of horns and metal!

here is a pic how far i am right now:

Phoenix995

I will take the concept of wrapping things in chains a bit further and i am currently working on a weapon... what do you think of something like this?

Phoenix995

so thats how far i got today!
what would you guys change? thank you guys!

Vayne4800

This set shouts Garrosh Hellscream from WoW. Yes you have chains and other elements, but the big two tusk bones are very similar to his.

Phoenix995

hm ok...

so you would delete this to big horns? or what are you suggesting?
and what do you think of the rest of the model? because i just wanted to start putting the low poly together.

edit: and what do you guys think of the concept of his weapon?

thanks

FlashL

I like the art, but I feel the concept goes against who & what bristleback is. Covering his bristles is sort of taking away his identity. Also, in game his back portion gives him extra defense, so having aesthetic armour seems a bit redundant.

Great art, though! If working on the back, I'd suggest creating new aggressive bristles, & leaving the aesthetics for mainly the shoulders, arms, front & head.

Snowstorm

I don't think there's anything wrong with what you have so far, other than the bristles on his mid to lower back looking so limp. I'd either make them stand straight out, or replace them with many thick, wicked looking horns that'd fit in with the style of the rest of your set. But maybe that's just me.

Everything below and within the inverted U horns should look wicked and deadly to touch imo.

Phoenix995

thanks for the comments!

i will work on the quills thanks for pointing that out!

i just did a small render, to see if i will be able to put the chains into the lowpoly by not getting over the limit

for the arms for example i have a limit of 600 tris

this piece has about 180

cagdasx44

How did you done that chains pls help???!!

Phoenix995

if you are talking about the high poly version, i basically used this video as a guideline.

http://vimeo.com/18814587

its just a curve with a motion path and the animation snapshot function.

TrevorJ

hey looking good on the lowpoly chains. whats the res on that bake though? how does it look downresed to game res textures, it might turn into just noise.

Phoenix995

hmm i cant really try that... i havn't finished all the low polys fo this part.. so i cant work on the uv's...
but we will see

btw: i would call the high poly finished
what do you guys think? and what do you think about his weapon?

Xajai

Looks amazing! and that weapon is awesome. as TrevorJ says, i think the chains will be a nightmare to get into the polylimit, but best luck!

Phoenix995

i just tried the texture at 256 x 256
looks good anyway

but you are right xajai, it will be a pain in the ass

Phoenix995

Phuuu... LOD0 is finished But LOD1 is a pain!

bounchfx

wow this is super unique and interesting looking! the sculpt is really well done, excellent work. He must have a hell of a triangle limit if you're able to pull that off. Can't wait to see the LP bakes.

danjohncox

Looking pretty cool man! MUCH more cohesive. I'm not sure about the weapon though. Feels a bit simple compared to everything else. Not a lot going on in its design. Looking forward to those bakes!

Phoenix995

hey guys

thats the bake

what do you think?

Nyshachor

A bit more quills and reduction in thickness around the shoulder would be awesome.

Phoenix995

hm ok... i have 2 problems.. first of all i need some help with the colors i cant decide on a base color...

and second the weapon does not work at all... the chains twist and the weapon is way to large for the game... so i need to make another...

Phoenix995

I had to stop working on the Dota character, to create this character.

What do you guys think?

heboltz3

SO Dota. Much Wow.

I'd keep this thread for your Dota Stuff, but you should totes x-post this over to PnP.

Your materials could use some hue variation, especially in the fabrics. The skin feels a tad noisy, but its not bad. Neato!