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*Hot* New Pudge Concept

Here's a preview of the new concept we're developing for Pudge:

And some close up's of the mask development:

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  • Spudnik
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    Spudnik polycounter lvl 11
    You probably wont have enough poly budget for a lot of this and in Addition, you cannot change the base model/textures (legs/body). For the head I'd definitely stick with the middle of the three concepts. Keep in mind, Dota's aesthetic is very simple when it comes to technology, what you have right now is too much.
  • MagnoHusein
    As Spudinik said, the tri limitation will crush your dreams. I guess you can mantain the concept theme, but making it less busy.

    Try to keep it simple, and focus on the big shapes.
  • kendmd
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    Good start. I will just be reiterating what the Spud and Magno mentioned: your details are too even everywhere, keep in mind about high and low frequency details. Have less details on the armors below the torso, more details on the head, something like that. Have some kind of detail hierarchy. Start with big shapes, then to medium, then to the tiny details.
  • vlad_the_implyer
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    And on top of that, your concept is almost nothing to do with the actual character, with the exception of the open stomach thingie.
  • darkdevices
    Thanks for the thorough feedback!

    Vlad: we're aware that the concept will need refinement but I disagree with your comment,
    Pudge is an abomination by nature and this set reflects those aspects and adds to the character development by introducing elements that directly tie into the "Rot". These elements are integrated/sewn into Pudge's body as you would expect to find with an abomination.

    We will however re-look the design given your helpful feedback.

    Some of our inspiration came from the film Frankensteins Army.
  • kite212
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    And on top of that, your concept is almost nothing to do with the actual character, with the exception of the open stomach thingie.

    I agree with this statement, I get too much of a Big Daddy vibe instead of it feeling like Pudge. It just does not feel like the butcher anymore, and as others have already said, the tri budget will destroy this. I have had tri limits ruin less ambitions projects. Just seriously edit this down and make it way less busy and that alone could address all concerns with this design.

    Edit: I do really like the middle face design, I feel that fits Pudge the best from the design
  • darkdevices
    Thank you for all the feedback.

    We've refined the design so it now resembles more of what you enjoy about the character.

    1) We've gone with the goggles as part of the head design
    2) We've cleaned up the torso with the polycount in mind, the majority of details will now exist on his back in the upper half of his body (view as seen by the player)
    3) We've reduced the size of his "Rot Tank" and integrated it better into his torso, we where thinking it would be cool to have fumes emanating or seeping out of the pipes as he walked
    4) We've introduced a leather apron that links our new character development with the original butcher
    5) We omitted the elements that resemble a diver/big daddy and changed the design of the "Rot Tank" so it feels less like a diving tank
    6) We've refined the Porthole into his stomach so thats it's easier to see into his intestines and the bile splashing around.

    http://darkdevices.tumblr.com/image/70741575964
  • cagdasx44
    About goggles: they are part of head piece so you have to create the hair too. So you cant use the same hair.
    Edit: Replaced shouldnt with cant. :D:D
  • Spudnik
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    Replace "shouldn't" with "can't" :)
  • darkdevices
    And here it is:

    Our finalised Concept !
  • cagdasx44
    Well again, you cant use the same hair!!!
    But i liked the design.
  • darkdevices
    @cagdasx44

    We where thinking of reverting back to one of our initial head designs posted @ the top of this thread.
    (No. 2 to be exact)

    Thanks
  • MagnoHusein
    Welp, I guess now it's on the right road. However i still think that the modeller will have some issues with the tri limitations. Also there are many budgets, I'm not sure if they fit the actual pudge slots.

    As for the back piece keep in mind that you can't add particles in game.
  • darkdevices
    @MagnoHusein

    Thanks, really unfortunate about the particles, this piece would really come to life with smoke seeping from the tubes of his "Rot" tank.

    Do you know of any way to add animated textures, animated geo or textures with transparency?
  • Sukotto
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    Yes and making that brain jar look right is gonna be tough since the shader doesn't support translucency, only completely opaque or transparent.
  • Spudnik
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    I still really can't get behind the tech-sword or the thing he has on his back. Pudge is fat, dumb, clumsy and brutal, none of these things lead me to believe that he would prefer or be able to create a mechanical contraption over just a blunt piece of iron to cleave his enemies.
  • darkdevices
    @ Spudnik.

    Thanks for the feedback, we may change the cleaver to a chainsaw because circular saws are not out of place in a butchery.

    Thanks for the feedback !
  • Spudnik
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    That would be the opposite of the point I was trying to make. What I'm trying to say that the technology should be simpler. The only heroes who use technology more complicated than a sharp metal blade are Keen Folk (Gyro, Sniper, Tinker, Timbersaw). And Pudge is the complete opposite of those heroes. They're small and weak and need technology to help them in battle. Pudge is a giant fat bastard who doesn't give a fuck. See what I'm trying to get at here? I'm not saying that you can't do something with tech, but it has to be really simple tech.
  • Shock
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    if u wana make a good concept for pudge ONLY use *flesh*, leather and massive metall (non-tech). this is what i would advise u :)

    greez!
  • klozzy
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    cool id like to see it in game
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