Why some people are better at art than others.
http://www.livescience.com/19878-drawing-ability.html
This is a very interesting article about why some people are better at art than others. It is well worth a read in my own opinion
These are scientific reasons as to why, and how people can get better.
Please share your story about how you became good at Art or why your not.
This is a very interesting article about why some people are better at art than others. It is well worth a read in my own opinion
These are scientific reasons as to why, and how people can get better.
Please share your story about how you became good at Art or why your not.
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What are you talking about?
For real, from the article:
You think?
My mom has a scrapbook of every drawing I've done up until my teens, the earliest drawings, around age 4-5 I believe, look just as shitty as my non-artists friends drawings at that age. The big difference is I kept drawing, so stick figures eventually went to sausage figures, then forms became more consistant and things kept improving over the years.
At least it points out how some of us who suck at drawing can get better.
I am interested in reading peoples stories on here about how they got better at drawing.
Some people on here seem like they are great at fine art ect and their 3D models are amazing.
I want to better my drawing and my painting so I can get better at making 3D models.
That is my motivation for becoming a better artist.
Plus I love creating stuff, I grew up loving legos and model kits.
Thankfully Passion and Enthusiasm can help. I got put off art as a child because i expected instant results and to much of myself.
Also I didn't have the right type of encouragement or help with my art.
That's cool if you found the article helpful. I just mean I find it weird that teams of scientists have apparently conducted studies to figure out what usually comes up in 5 minutes of Google searching. They talk about developing your eye, remembering information (such as proportions/relationships between objects), and recognizing/isolating important parts of a figure. I mean, really if you boil it down they're basically saying "People who are better at drawing, are generally better at all the things that have to do with drawing. You can practice to get better."
Here's one of the most commonly recommended drawing resources of all time, that covers pretty much every subject in the article - with entire books sometimes dedicated to the subjects.
Andrew Loomis:
http://illustrationage.com/2013/04/02/free-andrew-loomis-art-instruction-downloads/
I can only agree with most of the things said, I just find it funny. And I'd say the title of the article is silly.
did your friend , teacher and family support your passion?
can you find art gallery and museum easily ?
can you find doujin(hobby) community in your place?
are people able to make money over to kind of art you like in your place?
these things may affect your art style and learning scope.
Thanks for the Link, I hope some more people also share their resources on here.
what ?
while i believe that with lot of hard work you can achieve anything, but there is such a thing called genetics.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2688647/
but without no hard work, it can go either way. someone born with talent but no proper environment or nurture will most likely never reach high enough. like wise, someone born with lower aptitude can overcome with lot of hard work.
Question is : can one be highly talented at both art and logic? I believe there's already a long thread on this matter somewhere here.
This is both frustrating and quite a shame, because even people with some natural talent have usually worked their asses off to become professionals in their field. It's also really sad to see people deny themselves of achieving their dream because they honestly believe it isn't possible. We want to grab them, shake them and tell them NO SERIOUSLY DUDE YOU CAN ACTUALLY ACHIEVE THIS.
Natural talent does exist - but usually comes in the form of a personality trait; A high degree of patience, or a good memory - something that, when combined with their passion, allowed them to perhaps achieve success with a little less pain then others. But it still took hard work and practice...it always does.
And of course there's nothing worse then someone else assuming you are good because you are "talented", and totally not giving you credit for the hard work you've put in.
So yes, there's some science there - but too many people are quick to use it as an excuse, to limit themselves needlessly, or to look past the work others have put in.
This is of course true for many, many things in life - not just game art.
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Any chance you could find it?
I completely agree with you.
Yes, here's the discussion. some really good input and opinions in there :
Game Art vs Game Programming
I agree with you 100%, that was a great video and I own one of the books he recommended, "Robert Coyle, the talent code."
Another great author he did not include would be Brain Tracey.
Thank you, I really appreciate you finding that for me. It should be an interesting read.
20 dollars VERY WELL spent, IMO.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stephenmccranie/brick-by-brick
Thank you for letting us know about this, I appreciate it.
Now I need to find the money to back it, along with a book called masters of anatomy.
Genes don't contain information about color,perspective and composition.If they did contain that kind of information people would be born with USB plugs in their heads.
LOL. way to dumb down science. genetics for the majority determines one's cognitive ability and cognition ability is directly linked to any activity like art, math, language etc.
fact is different people are born with different genetic make up. just research dopamine receptors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_receptor
in plain english, different people are born with different brains. cognitive ability is not same for everybody when they are born, heredity has a lot to do with it.
http://www.education.com/reference/article/effects-heredity-environment-intelligence/
however, i believe that success in anything requires both nature and nurture. so keep working hard.
as i said before, it is both nature and nurture. if you lack in one then you push the other.
Of course this is true. Something made these people special. But I think it's actually still an open question in science of what that something is.
Did Einstein have an unusually receptive brain and mass of neural networks that let him become smart, or did he grow those traits because he worked so hard and thought about it so much?
Does an NBA player have some natural agility that is innate and genetic, or have they developed that agility because of their personality traits of relentlessness and high achievement?
I think these are still highly debatable questions in regards to the actual science...you'll find lots of articles arguing both sides as fact. :P
Yeah,but genes don't "understand" what is art or math.They can only develop specific part of the brain that has the job of lets say thinking or calculating.So that persons maybe has easier time calculating but he is not in any way superior to any other human being simply because everything has to be learned.
yes, and a brain that calculates faster learns faster and thereby having an advantage over other human beings. it definitely makes that person superior to other human beings.
i personally have seen people learn things quite faster than me, something that I had to spend endless nights working hard they learned it right away. so you can argue all you want, but it is what it is.
Wow that was awesome.
what ? tell me that you are just trolling the forums!
before you say any more, please do some research on learning disabilities and its connection to hereditary factors.
i believe every single human being is born unique, each with different abilities and disabilities to a certain degree.
Where did I say that every human is the same?I'm just telling you that genes don't make you any smarter if you cant put them to the use.
yes, but i already said it has to be both nature and nurture. if there is no NURTURE there it does not matter what you are born with, it will be wasted.
genetics directly influence your neurons and that directly influences learning, cognitive behavior, problem solving, etc.
if a person with very well functioning brain never gets the proper environment to apply then it would not matter either way, like i said it has to be both nature and nurture.
however if you take two humans, one with a learning disability and one without a diagnosed disability then the person with disability will have a harder time in the same environment.
:P
Yep practice makes perfect. ^_^
Which is a good way to become more efficient and effective at practice so we can get the most from it?
Sure there might be some advantage due to winning the genetic lottery, but I would bet that practice is easily of much greater importance.
A very hard truth, but a truth no less. And one cannot always tell if his efforts are a waste, until he's failed enough to quit ; Very harsh, but a reality with a very wide application to many things in life, for many people.
I stubbornly refuse to believe in the fact that the word impossible exists and that anything is impossible. because what may seem impossible could be possible some day in some shape, way or form.
Also as someone said once "don't tell me the odds" (sorry if all i just said sounded stupid but its my belief) it keeps me motivated.
I completely agree with you and I enjoy that.
that sculptors anatomy book looks awesome, I was dubious about that first kickstarter project myself, but this one I can get behind.
I'm starting to find it dubious also, I am going to hold off on backing. I backed brick by brick though.
I think I will pick up anatomy for sculptors instead of Masters of Anatomy.
I agree with Ruz. I'm not sure this is true across all visual art, but in cg art especially, which is very technical, figuring out smart solutions can make up a huge percentage of your 'skill'.
In terms of the talent vs practice idea, of course some people will pick up different skills quicker or slower than others. But this 'innate' talent pales in comparison to useful experience, which will always be the equaliser.
(side note, I also believe that "useful experience" is very very different from "hard work" or "practice". The latter two are obviously essential in any field. But it is always good to recognize that not all practice is equal. Ever heard someone say: "I learnt more in X weeks doing THIS, than I did in X years doing THAT!!")
If there's any moral from this post it's work hard AND smart!
Could I have become very good at maths ? I probably could! would it have been worth the years and years of hard work...absolutely not! I think it could be the same for people who arent good at art.
Yoji Shinkawa ( concept artist of MGS) once competing with his classmates to be the best at drawing bishoujo ( anime pretty girls ) but then he realize if he keep doing same thing he wont be stand out , thats why he started his unique drawing now. easily became one of stand in game art.
Yoji is naturally talented because he chose to not do what everyone else was doing and thats something most people wouldnt think of trying. Anyway my point was that some people will find art just as hard as I found maths, they are in no way similar in subject matter but I had friends who could not figure out how to draw a face no matter how hard they tried but could do high level calculus, see what I mean?
Everybody has feelings, but not anybody can express them.
Handling the math part is even less common.
Some people perceive the world in terms of shapes (x & y), others see forms (x, y & z).
Some have started developing their craft at a young age and got it going naturally, without ever questioning their perception.
For most ppl, the one thing that is common is the self-doubt when facing a challenge, and what makes one better than the other is not giving up.
Those who loved their craft at a young age and therefore had more time to think and practice it may be at an advantage, but my point is, passion is the key above all else. As the video posted early in the thread pointed out, failure is important too - and passionate people who think outside the box and try new things are bound to fail a lot and continue to improve, practice alone doesn't really cut it. I've seen plenty of artists who draw for hours every day, simply repeating their mistakes and stagnating because they only do what they already know.
Even with my modest level of skill, I constantly heard comments from classmates in college "You only spent an hour on that and it's so good! It's no fair that this stuff comes so easy to you!" meanwhile I had spent hours a day for years before college practicing and learning while they goofed off. No, it did not come easy.
I find the suggestion that some people are just born to be good artists insulting. If anything, I would say some people may be born with a predisposition to have passion for art and therefore invest more time and energy into it, and therefore become better at it over time.
I think about this every time I start to feel like I suck.
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It's from FZD, he talks about the two methods of learning, repetition vs. fundamentals. With repetition the learning curve involves you making a mistake, undoing, trying it again, making another mistake, undoing, etc. With the fundamentals you take time in the beginning to solidify your knowledge of the subject so that you skip the repeated mistakes.