Johnny From Guilty gear (Critiques very Welcome)

chudork

this is for the fighting game 3d fan art challenge, looking to improve myself more in 3d game character creation and my zbrush sculpting skills so critiques are very welcome

this is my latest WIP so far

MattQ86

I feel like the forms are kinda soft, especially for an aesthetic like Guilty Gear's. Check out some of the work that's out there like some version of Dizzy Funky Bunnies did or Vidar's Potemkin.

chudork

ahh kk, still kinda starting, out thanks for the suggestions on what to look at

chudork

retopo at around 22k tris seems like something went wrong lolz, any suggestions on how to fix it

MattQ86

It looks like the normals on your low poly were faceted when baking. Soften them up and re-bake.

chudork

Sculpting phase would like to call this done, but suggestions and critiques are welcome so i can improve it more

MattQ86

It does look better, but it wouldn't be bad to use this to study a bit. You could probably find tutorials similar to this:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZY3I7SyLQI"]Zbrush Character Sculpt - Mutant 004 - YouTube[/ame]

for every part of your model.

chudork

cool!! thanks for this vid, i think this can really help me improve my sculpts in zbrush

onizuka92

He looks a little Squished. try lengthening the characters body to really push that stylized look of johnny.

chudork

@onizuka, thanks for the suggestion ill try that adjustment see how it works out

chudork

adjusted the torso a bit and broke symmetry in the trenchcoat and bit in the pants

Abrvpt

Good progress
But for now the shoes are Very off... Seems you started them straight in ZBrush, but they are really too blobby right now. You should try something like 3ds max or Maya to model the hard surface of the shoe as far as possible, then add only the small details in ZBrush.
Here's a reference that will help, notice he's wearing relatively small shoes, not big boots.


Also you should make the second belt in the proportions of this reference, those upscaled parts are quite important in the Guilty Gear design.
Hope it will help.

chudork

thanks for the tips about the belt and shoes , yeah you are correct about the shoes I guess still need more practice hehe

MattQ86

Yeah, this is definitely a good piece for you to learn on. It's improved noticeably since you started the thread.

chudork

yeah learning a lot more, wishing i kinda learned these things when i was doing the polycount adventure contest hehe, a test bake and render of wireframe in maya, need to reduce the 23k polycount feels a bit too much for the character

MattQ86

23,000 is high for a character...but this is a fighting game character so that's not really that bad. I'd focus more on evenly distributed polys and better edge loops.

chrisradsby

You're spending all your budget in places that don't need that much attention. Like the stomach and the feet, you'd be better off putting these to use on the silhouette instead.

chudork

got to lower it around 15k, forgot to remove the inner shoe area, which was really dense lol

chudork

Updates! resculpted shoes, finished UV, some baking (AO, normals) basic diffuse and a quick 3pt light setup render in mental ray, all in a productive day, still needs textures, (skin )his sword(s), maybe a better render using(marmoset maybe) maybe a resculpt of a couple of things as always comments suggestions welcome

render


wire


diffusemap

MattQ86

Those renders are kind of dark. Take a look at the presentation in some of the sites I have in my bookmarks:

http://cg-sammu.net/
http://power.cghub.com/
http://www.funkybunnies3d.com/gallery.php
http://haikai.net/
http://cargocollective.com/madina88
http://www.andyfoster3d.com/

chudork

yeah can these be achieved by maya mental ray? some of these look like marmoset or max vray renders especially the the ones from cg-sammu

MattQ86

Yeah, it wouldn't be impossible to achieve similar results in MR or even in real-time.

oxblood

i gota admit. That lighting makes the actual model looks 10x better. even though it is a bit dark

Shiniku

Isn't this supposed to be a game-res model though? Why would you render in mental ray? A real-time solution always makes more sense to me if you're using normal maps...

chudork

thanks oxblood

@MattQ86 still figuring out how get renders like that in mental ray and learning on how to use marmoset on the side which got me this,



still needs work and that weird seam issue keeps reappearing, which happens when i get further away from the model but does not appear when i do close ups

oxblood

no problem chudork. that lighting isnt really working. try rendering in marmoset or even UDK

chudork

yeah my last post was done in marmoset, still learning about it though

chudork

@Shiniku just starting out with marmoset, wanted to see how it would like when I rendered it in mental ray

chudork

weee finally getting how fix the problems in marmoset, still having that seam issue in the neck area though

chudork

calling johnny done, learned a lot on making this character, still got a lot to learn especially about sculpting characters in general

a big thanks to MattQ86 for his links and crits which helped me a lot!
off to make my next character