Walther p22 - WIP
Working on this walther p22 silenced for a game. Wanted to get some critiques and also some advice for how to approach the low and retopo. I'll get some more wips up when I finish the magazine.
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The arm of the safety is a bit off - it should align exactly with the bottom of the cylinder.
The ridges on the hammer also seem off - they should cover little more than a quarter of the cylinder.
The trigger actually has a very deep groove at the rear, but I'm not certain it's worthwhile to model something the player is unlikely to see. Perhaps you can just rely on the texture/normal maps, or the probability that nobody has ever seen one in real life.
When you get to texturing, notice the beaded texture on the body of the pistol (rather like the material on scope mounts.)
All my 2 cents for what they may be worth.
1. Edge consistency is a bit strange on this piece. The fore sight has rather tight edges, And being farther from the player it will be more prone to aliasing before parts like the hammer: Which at the moment is overly soft. It looks like a low poly with SG's on it right now. I can dig doing a different edge widths on different materials(plastic VS Metal) but even on the frame the edges appear a bit soft in places(the "Indents" where the fingers rest) and a bit tight in others (The rail). Not a huge deal, But consistency is always good to strive for.
2. Watch for that rivet type bit on the grip, That is just before the tang, when you go to bake. Racer warned me it would bake weird, But i didn't know how to fix it. So it baked wired. You modeled it differently than i did, So maybe that will fix it.
3. Forget about the safety. its impossible to model. Don't even have one. Always on PEW PEW PEW PEW
Aside from that that, There are some minor pinches, and stuff like that. On the slide for example, where the has the "indent" to lock onto the slide release, It seems there are no control loops above it. Couple others but w/e. Pinches gonna pinch. most unimportant for baking.
Silencer could use some flavor. but that JMO. All this is really JMO. just nitpicking really
If for whatever reason, your interesting in seeing how i approached something, lemme know. I'm no pro, But i find it fascinating to see someone else do the same piece. So maybe your the same.
Good work man! Keep it up.
Edit: Would be cool to see a FPS view too. Thats all that really maters. To I'm curious what the back of the slide and frame look like.
And thanks:poly136:
The back ironsight looks odd to me. They look like a small version of a LMG sight because you first extruded it sideways and then towards top, but theyre coming straight out of the metal more or less which is usual for pistols.
On the reference you can see that aswell, it looks different. I dont find the ironsights in FP that appealing right now, thats what made me wonder. Usually theres also little space between both in perspective, theyre often very blocky, people
are expected to just look over them , not through them. Always be careful with ironsights, theyre maybe done fast and are small, but they are the heart of any FPS gun.
(AO for presentation ?)
what the hell was the designer thinking by making that grip for that gun, overall really crazy design, but cool and interesting
do people say cool in english ? I always feel stupid when I write it
If I'm unclear, here is how the projection would be for the bottom part of the grip. On that flat face. All the face will be facing one direction, and the cage will more or less and to push out that direction.
My proposed solution would be :
A. Add those details via Ndo2. Stupid easy program to use, and really easy to get details like this.
B. Make those floats as shallow as possible, And deviate from the weapon design. Angle them to be more or less in line with the surface direction of the underlying grip.
...C? Depending on your budget, You could model these into the HP, And into the LP. Which, Would pretty much be a waste. But its possible and would create an accurate result, and no errors.
Would you mind posting an image of the FP view that is well lit and a bit brighter?
Gun is looking sharp overall. Some areas on the grip you have some obvious faceting due to control edges that are breaking a curve, But it won't be seen in game. So really your call on revisiting those. The bulk of the mag looks clean, but that very bottom part looks rather strange. The front most part, specifically.
And im gonna contradict myself a bit here, I said don't even try for the correct safety lever, But i would make something that is a bit closer. Right now it looks a little natural. Like it was just a planer thing, Then inset, then extruded.
@Shrike: Ye. people say cool, Quite often. Doesn't sound odd at all how you wrote it.
Gather LOTS of reference. It will be your best friend especially on a piece as tricky as this.
Notice how different the noise is between the plastic and metal? The plastic has a more powerful specular, has more contrast, and is overall more prominent. The metal has a lot of noise the same size, But some scattering of larger dark/light variation. I don't mean oil stain larger, but about .25 cm^3 sized spots, scattered around in a separate pass of noise.
Also notice how the grip scatters a lot more light, and has a a broad highlight, Vs the metals highlight.
It's also a bit dark right now. The weapon is one of those that are pretty much black in the diffuse, But you could lighten it up a bit, And possibly add stronger lights so you can see the model fully lit.
So my advice is mainly to: See. don't look at reference. See them, Study them, Dissect them. You're texturing will be a lot better if you understand how the material. Which is a hard skill to be. one I'm currently trying to kick start
Looking forward to seeing the progress.