some of the best states to do game dev.
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...as far as living costs and the game dev scene as a whole. For example; I hear San Fransisco has an active game dev scene but is very expensive to live in.
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In case you're thinking of something crazy, get a job first, then move!
you'll go to rent an apartment, and they'll want to know where you work. since you dont work, they wont rent to you.
now, when you go to a job interview, they'll want to know where you live, but of course, you'll be homeless, and so they wont hire you.
A lot of game dev studios are in the bay area, but not in the city itself for reasons related to this. Redwood City/Shores, San Jose, and a few places in the north bay are pretty popular locations for studios. They're all a lot more affordable than San Francisco.
Some studios don't like that they have to wait for you to start, plus there's the whole relocation assistance thing that some smaller studios don't want to pay you. But of course that only applies to in house positions.
I'm looking into getting a job in LA. It can be expensive over there but I hear that Los Feliz neighborhood has decently priced rent. Its all relative. I'm in NYC so every location seems reasonably priced to me
Based on what information?
basically, look at all the costs of where you want to live/work and ask for a salary thats in accoradance instead of basing it off what you make now. also, most places are not going to offer you way less should you move back to a more chill area.
It makes me wonder, could a mid to senior dev ask for six figures in LA?
Like now?
As Justin said, Austin still has a pretty solid game development scene with a relatively low cost of living. When we were looking to move, it was basically between here and the Seattle-ish area.
California still has plenty going on, though I personally wouldn't move there without securing a job first due to cost of living.
But by moving there you're paying for your relocation anyway while limiting yourself to a single location. What if you move to austin and a job comes up in seattle?
Just have to ignore the batshit insane politicians who ban the use of science to study sea levels, and whatever other logic-defying shit they think to try to make law in the state.
50-70k is a mid range exp salary?
I'm a junior with 0 experience and I was planning on requesting 50k.
No its still expensive, and not all that great. Plus if you want to get to any of the game studios outside of Insomniac, you are in for a long trip along backed up freeways and side streets.
The whole cities infrastructure is falling apart.
Really theres not many great reasons to come to LA outside of the weather.
-someone who lives is LA and lives not that far from Los Feliz.
Sounds about right to me. I'd say 50-80 or so is midrange, with 80+ being more senior level positions. Depends on the city, of course, but those numbers sound about right for New England at least.
50k would be probably a bit high to ask for for an entry level art position. You could certainly try---and you *might* be able to swing it from some companies or if you're an absolute badass with awesome recommendations...but I'd expect most starting positions to pay 30-40ish.
Also look this over.
http://www.walkscore.com/transit
Out of what has been listed, San Fran is the best, while Austin in is the worst. But this one lists Seattle worse than Austin.
http://www.shareable.net/blog/the-13-best-us-cities-for-public-transit
Another way is to look at the BMI. Which obviously LA would fail the most at with its sprawl.
http://m.mensfitness.com/training/lose-weight/the-fittest-and-fattest-cities-in-america
San Fran comes out on the top of those listed for fittest. Then Seattle, then Austin.
Too bad Portland doesn't have more developers vs outsourcing like Liquid.
Slightly an aside, its actually kind of funny with Houston being listed the fatest. Someone was mention the lack of life drawing there. What did I find? A burlesque sketching group.....
This site offers a lot of information you can cross-reference.
http://www.gamedevmap.com/
Depending on your skill level, you might also seriously consider looking at the trend of lay offs within the mid to larger studios and shoot for something smaller. It won't pay as much, but at least you'll get the experience and more importantly...the shipped title on your resume....
Which in the end is what will sell you to the larger studios.
I really wouldn't call anyplace in Bay Area affordable. It may be cheaper than San Francisco it's still expensive, that's also mostly true with alot of California.
Good luck. Starting with no experience, unless your a super star, is more like 30k. At least over here on the East Coast. 50-70 is mid to senior. At 70-80 your tapped out unless you're a tech artist, Art Director or making title bonus's.
I guess it all depends on the studio and you talent level. But these were all film studios.
I figured with the cost of living in the east and west coast, it would be really difficult living on 30k-40k. I'm not greedy. I just want to live comfortable and have my own studio apartment ( had a bad experience with a roommate in Vancouver ) and maybe a car if I need one.
I was straight up offered in the 40-50k range for my first JR position in Fairfax VA - I couldn't imagine how rough it would have been making $30k in that area. But I could imagine the pay being less in NY, I've sort of noticed that trend while moving around, the more expensive the area the lower your pay is when adjusted for cost of living.
I told them they shouldn't accept anything under 35k
What a stupid thing for teachers to say...might as well say..
"Don't bother studying this craft because you won't make enough to live...."
*Well then why do you teach the subject?
"Because teaching pays more, has benefits, and I generally suck (or am too lazy) to get a job in the field....
...but hey! I modeled this great looking crate that has 1000 likes on Facebook!"