Normal Map Looks Weak in UDK/CRYENGINE

Makkyo

Hey all, I have played around with a few variations of lighting (both in marmoset and UDK), and for some reason my normal maps looks considerably weaker in UDK and Cryengine when compared to how they look in Marmoset, I hope it is possible to achieve this Marmoset look in UDK, Any help would be greatly appreciated as this problem is stopping me progressing further.

Edit, i should add only normal and AO maps have been used.

Adij

hm, maybe its flipped Y-channel?

Makkyo

i rendered using +Y in xnormals, also tried -Y

I downloaded a normal map from google and tried that incase my normals were the problem, same thing, really washed out in udk, fine in marmoset.

maybe its a problem with UDK settings?

sltrOlsson

One difference with UDK vs marmoset is that UDK cuts the textures in half. Check the Airbørn project. They use UDK. I think they talk some about their custom master material. Maybe it's custom shading/lighting to.

ExcessiveZero

sltrOlsson wrote: »

One difference with UDK vs marmoset is that UDK cuts the textures in half. Check the Airbørn project. They use UDK. I think they talk some about their custom master material. Maybe it's custom shading/lighting to.

do you have a link to what you are talking about, id be very interested in checking it out.

Makkyo

Trying to find the information on the custom shader they used. in the meantime here is a random normal map i downloaded from google and placed in both marmoset and UDK (Bathhouse scene from polycount).

haiddasalami

Check the normal influence lightmass option in world settings. Havent done UDK in a while but I think thats where it is.

Makkyo

haiddasalami wrote: »

Check the normal influence lightmass option in world settings. Havent done UDK in a while but I think thats where it is.

By default it was set to 0.3, i tried changing it to 0.8, however the normal map looks the same

Makkyo

Still no luck, if possible, can anyone try and use this normal map i found online during my test. http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3448/noisec.jpg

and see if they can get a look similar to the marmoset one?

maybe its just my UDK?

ExcessiveZero

Makkyo wrote: »

Still no luck, if possible, can anyone try and use this normal map i found online during my test. http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3448/noisec.jpg

and see if they can get a look similar to the marmoset one?

maybe its just my UDK?

Jpeg :poly118: now I got to convert this to a targa

ExcessiveZero

Looks fine to me, stuck the red channel of the normal into the diffuse

Makkyo

Sorry couldn't upload targa, just tried using tinypic.

also if you managed to do it, can you send me the file? just so i can see if its my UDK settings or not, thanks.

Makkyo

ExcessiveZero wrote: »

Looks fine to me, stuck the red channel of the normal into the diffuse

Thanks for helping dude, That looks much better than my attempt, its missing some of those tiny details though, is that due to lighting? or...

ExcessiveZero

Makkyo wrote: »

Thanks for helping dude, That looks much better than my attempt, its missing some of those tiny details though, is that due to lighting? or...

all I did was plug the normals and the lighting is default daylight scene for the most part.

so id suspect your lighting man.

oh and sorry also I threw it on a default mesh and obviously I don't have the texture, so its only showing a portion of the normals at work.

sltrOlsson

Search is sick! http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62779

And, I would say it's not really a fair comparison putting that UDK in house scene vs Marmoset. That light is very harch is Marmoset..

iniside

Can't help you with UDK, but in CryEngine you need FULL set of textures (Normal, Spec and Gloss) as well as good physically based lighting setup (not the one from default Forest level).
You actually don't need color to test. If the material will look good with 187,187,187 and 127,127,127 color texture then it will look good with proper color map.

Also remember to use Enviromental Probe with neutral (187,187,187) texture for test.

Anyway. Looks fine to me:


If it is still to weak for you, you can always duplicate normal map and overlay them on each other.